Do Most Protestants Do This?

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I actually think that debate is healthy. People learn boundaries too. In Islam it is forbidden to debate about Islam, or better said that it is forbidden to ask questions about Mohammed and Islam. A non-Muslim can expect to be killed. I got their book of Sharia laws and believe me, Muslims are not allowed to question either.
 
I actually think that debate is healthy. People learn boundaries too. In Islam it is forbidden to debate about Islam, or better said that it is forbidden to ask questions about Mohammed and Islam. A non-Muslim can expect to be killed. I got their book of Sharia laws and believe me, Muslims are not allowed to question either.
Yes we have freedom in Christ, but people here attack the person personally here rather than just focus on the argument…We have missionaries in muslim lands and they have to be very careful with what they say/do…The interesting thing is that people are drawn to them by how they conduct their selves…
 
So are you just venting or do you feel you have a real complaint?
I think it is a very real complaint. It amazes me how some protestants come to this site, a Catholic site, with a very demeaning attitude. It is certainly not conducive to healthy debate.
 
I see your point…I’ve run into it myself here… “I think you need to do some research”

It’s always best to stick to the topic and leave out personal comments…
I think it is important to differentiate what you are referring to and what I am.

When someone discusses a topic and makes assertions that go beyond both Catholic and protestant theology it is clear that individual does not have a complete understanding of the issue. It is right and helpful to direct that individual to research the topic so that they can be informed of the issue. This is a healthy discussion.

Some people tend to posit their ideas without any basis. In doing so, they decline to entertain any position other than their own and in the process they talk down to us Catholics, calling us terms such as Papists. They comment that if we would read our Bible or if the Spirit had illuminated us we would know the truth that they are revealing to us. This is unhealthy dialog.
 
I’m not going to entertain a fight here. You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. Fair enough.
I think this is a great example of some deep seated hostility. The poster answer my question with a question, “don’t you think the Catholic Church does this”. When I responded that the Church does not but that people do and that 2 wrongs do not make it right he felt I was trying to pick a fight. 🤷 It seems to me that there is a lot of animosity between protestants and Catholics and it spills over in the way we interact.
 
Is seems good and right to ask if this assumption exists in The Catholic Church?

If you, as a Catholic, are going to be “bothered greatly” by an attitude that says, “I know, you don’t - so just listen to me!” then the first order of business is to check your own position. Sometimes in pointing one finger at another, one might end up pointing three back at self. Jesus told a parable about that, remember?

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I am in agreement here, hence my post #16.

We can all learn a lot from our own behavior but the fact that we may not always behave as we would like should not interfere with us asking the question though, should it?

If I recall the parable correctly, Jesus was rebuking for passing judgement on others, correct? It was not about making judgements, was it?
 
I think it is important to differentiate what you are referring to and what I am.

When someone discusses a topic and makes assertions that go beyond both Catholic and protestant theology it is clear that individual does not have a complete understanding of the issue. It is right and helpful to direct that individual to research the topic so that they can be informed of the issue. This is a healthy discussion.
Sure its good to direct someone…but when you start using "your this or your that then your making comments of a persons understanding or knowledge here…If we are not esteeming who we dialog with then we subtly put them down by the way we respond…People tend to think if their smarter they are somehow above someone else…I’ve see it happen daily here…
 
Sure its good to direct someone…but when you start using "your this or your that then your making comments of a persons understanding or knowledge here…If we are not esteeming who we dialog with then we subtly put them down by the way we respond…People end to think if their smarter they are somehow above someone else…
Agreed. We often fail to consider the person we are communicating with. I tend to respect direct, no nonsense, communication. I tend to appreciate people who come right out and say there p’s and q’s. Other people tend to like a less direct means of debate. We should all learn to be more respectful of others. Thank you for reminding us of this.
 
Agreed. We often fail to consider the person we are communicating with. I tend to respect direct, no nonsense, communication. I tend to appreciate people who come right out and say there p’s and q’s. Other people tend to like a less direct means of debate. We should all learn to be more respectful of others. Thank you for reminding us of this.
Your welcome …I tend to view this like I sitting with a real person in my home…I think if we knew each other personally and knew our strengths and weaknesses we would be more respectful and understanding…I have a catholic neighbor and we don’t really do doctrinal issues…We’re both like "simple’ folk…We know each other loves Jesus and we help each other and reach out together to our unsaved neighbors…peace to you…
 
I think this is a great example of some deep seated hostility. The poster answer my question with a question, “don’t you think the Catholic Church does this”. When I responded that the Church does not but that people do and that 2 wrongs do not make it right he felt I was trying to pick a fight. 🤷 It seems to me that there is a lot of animosity between protestants and Catholics and it spills over in the way we interact.
When we are told that our belief in the Eucharist is irrelevant because our communion is invalid anyway, our sacraments except for baptism and marriage are not valid, our church was built on a fornicating and adulterer king who wished to dump his wife and find another, our first archbishop independent from Rome was a fraud who deserved to be burned at the stake and our faithful are bound for hell because they reject the premise of a supreme pontiff. You bet your sweet seat there is going to be hostility…
 
When we are told that our belief in the Eucharist is irrelevant because our communion is invalid anyway, our sacraments except for baptism and marriage are not valid, our church was built on a fornicating and adulterer king who wished to dump his wife and find another, our first archbishop independent from Rome was a fraud who deserved to be burned at the stake and our faithful are bound for hell because they reject the premise of a supreme pontiff. You bet your sweet seat there is going to be hostility…
The first question I would ask is, are any of these things true?

It is important for you to remember that it was you who broke off from the Church, not the other way around. Whatever the reasons for this are going to questioned and explored.

YOur response has proven my point. There is a civil way to discuss our differences and an uncivil way. Your post is filled with hostility and anger which will never allow constructive dialog to take place.
 
The first question I would ask is, are any of these things true?

It is important for you to remember that it was you who broke off from the Church, not the other way around. Whatever the reasons for this are going to questioned and explored.

YOur response has proven my point. There is a civil way to discuss our differences and an uncivil way. Your post is filled with hostility and anger which will never allow constructive dialog to take place.
I was illustrating the things that YOU CATHOLICS say about us. The hostility is yours toward us.
 
When we are told that our belief in the Eucharist is irrelevant because our communion is invalid anyway, our sacraments except for baptism and marriage are not valid, our church was built on a fornicating and adulterer king who wished to dump his wife and find another, our first archbishop independent from Rome was a fraud who deserved to be burned at the stake and our faithful are bound for hell because they reject the premise of a supreme pontiff. You bet your sweet seat there is going to be hostility…
If you love Jesus I think you are great. God Bless
 
I have only been n CA for a short time but I have noticed a pattern of behavior that bothers me greatly. It seems that most of our protestants friends that come here do so in an arrogant and hostile way. The threads sometimes start in a friendly manner but quickly deteriorate into a “I am smarter than you and you need to listen to me” tone. The idea that they look down upon us Catholics is very evident and there is no attempt to hide it.

Am I the only one that sees this or is this the pattern? If it is the pattern, how do you all get past this attitude and have productive and God honoring discussions? I am finding it very difficult.
Hello Izoid, I’ve always looked at the Catholic Answer forums as being here to help our separated brothers understand the full truth of what the Apostolic Church has handed on to us these past 2000years.

We are here to help them and other interested religions to understand what we believe, Some come to CA for that very reason, others however use our forums to argue and tell us what we should believe in trying to proselytize . We are not here for that .It is fine for Protestants to share with us what they believe, and most of our separated brothers do believe approx 80%of the truth. We are here to share with them that 20% of the truth which they do not believe. Izoid, I am now thinking of something someone once reminded Catholics to be sure to do before starting the good work of apologetics, and that is get on our knees. Advise we often forget.🙂 Carlan
 
This is interesting. Could you tell me where I might find this article?
Sure. renewamerica.com/columns/kellmeyer/050427
It’s written by Steve Kellmeyer. I felt that he brought a good deal of relevant historical information to the table. I don’t agree with some of his opinions on Protestants- for example, near the end it seems that he attempts to associate Protestants with every bad group of people he can think of- but he brings up some very good historical information and assesses it pretty well.
I remember an episode of Little House on the Prairie where Mrs. Olson is asked to read the bible. She has been disparaging another character for being illiterate. The Bible is not in English and it is pointed out to her that she is not illiterate because she cannot read a different language. I wonder how many might have been considered illiterate because they couldn’t read English?
I could see how that’s possible, but I can’t see that as a factor of great significance. It did get me thinking, though- in a very real way, literacy is relative to the standard imposed by whoever assesses a person’s literacy. For example:

By some measures of literacy, a person is called “literate” if they are able to sign their own name to a document. By other measures, though, you have to be able to read all the roadsigns you’ll ever see while driving or be able to read a newspaper reasonably well. It kind of depends on what is required of “literate people” at a particular place and time in history.

During the 19th and early 20th centuries, the standard for bare-minimum literacy was quite a bit lower than it is today. In this particular situation, though, I feel that Protestants would have judged Catholics primarily in terms of their ability to read the Bible. For the average Protestant, daily reading of the Word started quite early. Even if a Protestant family was poor to lower-middle class and knew that their children would never handle anything at a higher reading level than the Bible, the parents would require the children to read it from the earliest age possible and- God willing- never look back. The end result was one where Catholic children were consistently less developed in overall reading ability from the earliest age possible, and in particular, in the area of what I’ll call Bible literacy.

I think it’s important for us to consider this in terms of what Protestants thought of Catholics and to view it primarily in terms what’s most relevant specifically to Protestantism and Catholicism. Protestants felt this way about Catholics for reasons having to do with things typical of Catholics that aren’t at all typical of Protestants, and as a result of this, it’s an issue primarily having to do with Protestants and Catholics. Class, education, and relative levels of poverty have, at best, supporting roles. One of the most noticeable differences between Protestants and Catholics at this time- particularly in the way parents raised children- was the practice of reading the Bible.

19th-century Protestants obviously felt that the Protestant way was much better than the Catholic way, and they didn’t stop at simply saying so. They would point out all the things that they felt resulted from this difference of opinion for the purpose of demonstrating that the Protestant way was better. It was not a simple matter of noticing a set of correlating factors that happened to be somewhat intriguing- it was an argument for one way of doing things against another. In his article, Steve Kellmeyer points out a number of reasons for why Catholics of that time period would have been bad at evangelizing and sharing their faith. For a great number of 19th-century Protestants, though, it boiled down to one thing: Bible literacy and the overall development of “religious intelligence” that results from it. Most Protestants felt that Catholics were making a very big mistake in deciding not to read the Bible, and they felt that the results were as follows: You wind up barely knowing what you believe, you certainly don’t know why you believe it, and you have to depend on others (ie., a priest) to tell you what to believe. Among Catholic children, I suppose this would have been seen as a failure to properly develop “Bible literacy.” Among Catholic adults, though, a typical Protestant parent may very well have felt that their pre-adolescent children were better equipped for serious Bible study than most Catholics their own age. This is obviously not a favorable comparison, but it seems to me that a lot of Protestants felt that it was dead on.

The short version looks like this: It wasn’t until the 19th century that Catholics started coming to America in large numbers, and as late as 1920, 75% of American Catholics were European immigrants. These immigrants were, on the whole, less well-endowed with education and money than their Protestant counterparts. This situation was exacerbated, however, by the fact that Protestants placed a great deal of importance on reading the Bible a lot and knowing it from cover to cover while Catholics, as a general rule, never read the Bible at all. In the past century or so, much has been done in rectifying the first inequity, but progress has been slower on the second. Along with the inter-generational opinions and biases that have survived to this point, the continuation of the Catholic tendency to avoid reading the Bible serves as an enduring relic of past differences between Protestants and Catholics, and this particular relic has always been featured as the main centerpiece in the belittlement of Catholics, particularly when it has to do with intelligence.
 
I have only been n CA for a short time but I have noticed a pattern of behavior that bothers me greatly. It seems that most of our protestants friends that come here do so in an arrogant and hostile way. The threads sometimes start in a friendly manner but quickly deteriorate into a “I am smarter than you and you need to listen to me” tone. The idea that they look down upon us Catholics is very evident and there is no attempt to hide it.

Am I the only one that sees this or is this the pattern? If it is the pattern, how do you all get past this attitude and have productive and God honoring discussions? I am finding it very difficult.

Good to see you’re not a Catholic that thinks their church is THE correct church with THE correct teaching and that protestants are missing something. If you were that kind of Catholic, you’d be looking down on them and think your church is better and smarter than theirs.​

Finally a level headed Catholic.
 
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