Do Muslims and Catholics worship the same God?

[PRmerger]

Why I wonder do some people choose to keep ignoring this, which you have repeated several times?

My opinion is that some folks have their own opinion on this, and they want to somehow make the Church conform to their own views…

rather than change their views to conform to what the Church (and therefore, God, according to Catholicism) proclaims.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Perhaps in some cases this is true. Needless to say conformity is a foregone conclusion for me, clearly understanding what the Church is saying is where I’m confused in this specific regard with implicit meaning which requires a deeper read to come to any explicit conclusions.

Does conformity include not asking these questions?

 

[Servant19]

This is a great illustration as to why the Bible cannot be the solution: I have no idea what you mean by quoting Matthew as a solution to my question.

I need to have you explicate why you are quoting Matthew.

What does it mean to you? How does Matthew solve the problem of 2 different people claiming that their disparate views are from God.

Nope.

In regards to what?

My humble suggestion, PR, is to familiarize yourself with what Baha’is do by observing it, live, and objectively.

Pop down to your local Bahai Centre of Learning and ask them if you can observe some of the Bahai activities, so that you can see the truth behind the religion for yourself.

They would be delighted to point you in the right direction.

I have been to several Catholic Churches and asked to participate in activities over the years and I have found this exercise very heart warming and fruitful



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[PRmerger]

Perhaps in some cases this is true. Needless to say conformity is a foregone conclusion for me, clearly understanding what the Church is saying is where I’m confused in this specific regard with implicit meaning which requires a deeper read to come to any explicit conclusions.

Does conformity include not asking these questions?

I appreciate the humility in this post, Gary. And of course you are permitted to ask these questions.

But I thought you were* not* asking, but rather asserting this: Muslims worship a different God.

Am I incorrect in this understanding of what your position is?

 

[PRmerger]

My humble suggestion, PR, is to familiarize yourself with what Baha’is do by observing it, live, and objectively.

Pop down to your local Bahai Centre of Learning and ask them if you can observe some of the Bahai activities, so that you can see the truth behind the religion for yourself.

They would be delighted to point you in the right direction.

I have been to several Catholic Churches and asked to participate in activities over the years and I have found this exercise very heart warming and fruitful



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So could you answer the question a little bit better, Servant: what is the Bahai answer to when 2 people are asserting divergent opinions about what God has said?

You said the Bahai position is found in Matthew. I do not know what you mean by this. Please expound.

 

[Servant19]

So could you answer the question a little bit better, Servant: what is the Bahai answer to when 2 people are asserting divergent opinions about what God has said?

You said the Bahai position is found in Matthew. I do not know what you mean by this. Please expound.

The answer is dialogue in order to plan avenues by which the devotional character of the community can be sustainably advanced eternally. This is universal goal for all religions. To accompany those souls who have no interest in God, to eventually be immersed in God…

This is the “will of the Father”…

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[jakasaki]

Why is it that every NON-Bahai turns into a Bahai thread…

 

[Servant19]

Why is it that every NON-Bahai turns into a Bahai thread…

Not sure, I guess God finds a way to point people towards Him in the strangest of ways

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[PRmerger]

The answer is dialogue in order to plan avenues by which the devotional character of the community can be sustainably advanced eternally. This is universal goal for all religions. To accompany those souls who have no interest in God, to eventually be immersed in God…

This is the “will of the Father”…

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Well, since we’ve been in dialogue to the tune of hundreds of posts and nothing at all has been resolved between us, and I can extrapolate from this microcosm to the world of Bahai and Catholicism at large…it appears that when there are 2 disparate views, there is no way to reconcile this according to the Bahai system.

That’s really a big problem, IMHO.

 

[jakasaki]

There’s an open thread “question for bahai”

This thread is about Muslims & Catholics - NOT Bahai

 

[Servant19]

Well, since we’ve been in dialogue to the tune of hundreds of posts and nothing at all has been resolved between us, and I can extrapolate from this microcosm to the world of Bahai and Catholicism at large…it appears that when there are 2 disparate views, there is no way to reconcile this according to the Bahai system.

That’s really a big problem, IMHO.

PR, you should know very well that words cannot match real life experience.

It’s difficult to convey the spirit correctly in words.

Why ever bother catching up with friends for a coffee? Might as well just text message and get it over with lol

 

[GaryTaylor]

I appreciate the humility in this post, Gary. And of course you are permitted to ask these questions.

But I thought you were* not* asking, but rather asserting this: Muslims worship a different God.

Am I incorrect in this understanding of what your position is?

I’m asserting the non Christian point in question of the CCC doesn’t give us the explicit information without further reading. By this alone, which indicates unknown, then either conclusion can be reached without further information to make this conclusion.

Isn’t it true that further understanding is required to make this conclusion? So then I believe the questions would quite naturally follow.

 

[Servant19]

There’s an open thread “question for bahai”

This thread is about Muslims & Catholics - NOT Bahai

Yes, I agree, let’s talk about how God is different between the two religions.

People need to ask less Bahai specific questions!!



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[PRmerger]

PR, you should know very well that words cannot match real life experience.

It’s difficult to convey the spirit correctly in words.

Why ever bother catching up with friends for a coffee? Might as well just text message and get it over with lol

So according to you dialogue must be done in person?

Can you give me a quote from Bahaullah that says this, please?

 

[PRmerger]

I’m asserting the non Christian point in question of the CCC doesn’t give us the explicit information without further reading. By this alone, which indicates unknown, then either conclusion can be reached without further information to make this conclusion.

Isn’t it true that further understanding is required to make this conclusion? So then I believe the questions would quite naturally follow.

I think you should start with this: try saying, “I believe that Muslims profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God.”

If you can say that, affirm it, and then question from there, we are

 

[Servant19]

So according to you dialogue must be done in person?

Can you give me a quote from Bahaullah that says this, please?

Not MUST be done, but it’s better done in person.

Besides we are talking about what Baha’is DO
…not what they SAY

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[GaryTaylor]

I think you should start with this: try saying, “I believe that Muslims profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God.”

If you can say that, affirm it, and then question from there, we are

I did sister PR, I got as far as “I believe that muslim” then I drew a blank. Where do I find further info on this? I think I have to affirm this first?

 

[PRmerger]

Not MUST be done, but it’s better done in person.

Then I go back to my original point: the Bahai position is inutile in that dialogue has not produced any fruit. Our little microcosm here can be extrapolated to the world at large, and, clearly, the Bahai position leads to no apprehension of Truth when 2 divergent views are presented.

That is an ineffective and useless system, then.

Besides we are talking about what Baha’is DO
…not what they SAY .

Well, I am talking about both.

 

[PRmerger]

I did sister PR, I got as far as “I believe that muslim” then I drew a blank. Where do I find further info on this? I think I have to affirm this first?

Huh?

What do you have to stop?

Why can’t you simply assert and affirm that which is in our Catechism?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Huh?

What do you have to stop?

Why can’t you simply assert and affirm that which is in our Catechism?

Oh one could, in blind faith, and simply by the CCC actually I do.

Your saying we should all do the reading before the affirmation and consent [which I did] in fact after the consent, or its also just as true we can read the point an question and in Blind Faith be just as certain as to which we consent and affirm?

Problem is unless in Blind Faith how do we know what we affirmed and consent to without deeper reading in regards?

Fair?