Do Muslims and Catholics worship the same God?

[Tom_Baum]

And, as far as the Catholic Church knows, Catholics and Moslems do worship the same God.

But of course, you know better than the Church…

Which “God of Abraham” are you speaking of, the one in the koran or the One in the bible?

I happen to believe that Jesus Is God-Incarnate.

The god mentioned in the koran doesn’t believe this yet claims Jesus as his prophet.

I guess you could say that I have a disagreement with the god of the koran over this, don’t you?

By the way, as far as I know, we answer to God, not to Jesus’s Church.

We are Jesus’s Church and Jesus’s Church has a mission and that mission is “that the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against It”.

 

[GaryTaylor]

As far as “The argument that Muslims, Jews, and Protestants don’t actually worship God because their faiths contain errors in regards to Him is no less silly than the argument that my first sentence above isn’t in English”.

I never said anything about the Jews or the Protestants, the question was “Do Muslims and Catholics worship the same God?”, and I answered, you don’t have to like or agree with my answer, you can make fun of my answer but about the only thing that I do take serious is the “job” that God gave me and I look at this “job” as Our “job” as in God’s and mine.

Jesus’s simple question, “Who do you say that I am?”

And as I said, “God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof” and “It is important what one does and why one does it and what one knows”.

In what I wrote in the above sentence, I was/am trying to point out that God is not the egotistical maniac that some seem to believe God to be but nevertheless if one believes Jesus to be God-Incarnate, why should one be afraid to admit it?

Also, why should one be afraid to point out the obvious about something “claimed” in another religion?

Something else that I have said many times, “I would rather be the worst follower of Jesus than the best follower of the best follower of Jesus”.

Ok, but, God willed “ALL” to be saved. Apostolic teaching east and west and historically still stands today. So reprobate enters the equation. So you desert God and in the finality of this world, you are deserted by God because you rejected him. Not visa verse. In other words it mercy till judgment. He willed all to be saved. all are His creation and all worship Him regardless of to what degree of imperfect, and how one might venture off in distracting on this point of imperfect.

I don’t think there can be any doubt there are souls in regard seeking God with all there heart Muslim who profess the God of Abraham .

In which case, be this true, they will find Him, because He said so.

 

[Porknpie]

Wut du meen by tat?

 

[Servant19]

Which “God of Abraham” are you speaking of, the one in the koran or the One in the bible?

I happen to believe that Jesus Is God-Incarnate.

The god mentioned in the koran doesn’t believe this yet claims Jesus as his prophet.

I guess you could say that I have a disagreement with the god of the koran over this, don’t you?

By the way, as far as I know, we answer to God, not to Jesus’s Church.

We are Jesus’s Church and Jesus’s Church has a mission and that mission is “that the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against It”.

Tom,

One person says that I WILL dive off a bridge into the river below
Another person says that I WILL NOT dive off a bridge into the river below

They both refer to the one person…ME

What I actually do or do not do does not mean that I am two persons…

Think about that friend

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[FrDavid96]

Which “God of Abraham” are you speaking of, the one in the koran or the One in the bible?

No god lives inside a book.

I happen to believe that Jesus Is God-Incarnate.

That is not the subject of the OPs question.

The god mentioned in the koran doesn’t believe this yet claims Jesus as his prophet.

That is not the subject of the OPs question.

I guess you could say that I have a disagreement with the god of the koran over this, don’t you?

That is not the subject of the OPs question.

By the way, as far as I know, we answer to God, not to Jesus’s Church.

That is not the subject of the OPs question.

We are Jesus’s Church and Jesus’s Church has a mission and that mission is “that the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against It”.

That is not the subject of the OPs question.

 

[ephesians2]

The question of the thread is “Do Muslims and Catholics worship the same God?”

Your response does not answer the question. It answers different questions other than the one that was asked.

If someone asks “what is 2 plus 2?” and you answer “blue” you can prove all day long that the sky is blue; but that won’t change the fact that you aren’t actually answering the question.

I thought I was answering the question clearly, but here is what I was meaning to get across-

As a Roman Catholic, who do you believe God is?

As a Muslim, who is God?

As a Roman Catholic, do you believe God is Triune- Father, Son, Holy Spirit? I’m certain that is what you are taught to believe.

A Muslim does not believe in the Triune God. They deny that Jesus Christ, the Anointed Savior IS THE SAVIOR. A Muslim says he serves the God of Abraham, but The Gospel of St John (ch.8)says- 39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” St. Paul also stated, “For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the ***children of the promise ***who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.” Who are the “children of the promise”?

If a person denies Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, he or she is not serving the Triune God. If you do not serve the Son, God says in HIS word, you do not serve the Father. If you do not serve the Father or the Son, you do not possess the Holy Spirit. As a Roman Catholic, you serve the Triune God, correct? A Muslim does not and a Muslim denies your Savior.

 

[FrDavid96]

I thought I was answering the question clearly, but here is what I was meaning to get across-

As a Roman Catholic, who do you believe God is?

As a Muslim, who is God?

As a Roman Catholic, do you believe God is Triune- Father, Son, Holy Spirit? I’m certain that is what you are taught to believe.

A Muslim does not believe in the Triune God. They deny that Jesus Christ, the Anointed Savior IS THE SAVIOR. A Muslim says he serves the God of Abraham, but The Gospel of St John (ch.8)says- 39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” St. Paul also stated, “For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the ***children of the promise ***who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.” Who are the “children of the promise”?

If a person denies Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, he or she is not serving the Triune God. If you do not serve the Son, God says in HIS word, you do not serve the Father. If you do not serve the Father or the Son, you do not possess the Holy Spirit. As a Roman Catholic, you serve the Triune God, correct? A Muslim does not and a Muslim denies your Savior.

Answer me this, please:

If one person points up at the sky and says “the moon is made of green cheese.”

Another person points up at the sky and says “the moon is not made of green cheese.”

Does that mean that there are 2 moons up in the sky?

 

[JHow]

But, to the extent that a Muslim recognizes one God, and recognizes that God created the world, and everything in it, then that Muslim understands a real truth about God. A truth that many others may not perceive.

(Edit; to Ephesians, not FrDave)

 

[Servant19]

Answer me this, please:

If one person points up at the sky and says “the moon is made of green cheese.”

Another person points up at the sky and says “the moon is not made of green cheese.”

Does that mean that there are 2 moons up in the sky?

We keep trying don’t we David!!



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[GaryTaylor]

Back to point A so soon? “One God” point A

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Servant your contradicting yourself again. You speak to Christians who worship Jesus and say they are fine so long as they have a sincere heart. Clearly you believe this is the era of Ali Hussain, not the era of Muhammad. You said earlier it doesn’t matter if one worships a bull or whatever, it can be anything so long is one is sincere and heartfelt in his expression. You have no condemnation for the people who worshiped the Golden calf, so why should it be any different for Zeus? The martyrs could have rejected Christ and sincerely accepted Zeus and in your mind they would be none for the worse.

To contradict this is to contradict everything you have said thus far.

You have yet to respond to this servant, though out of all the most bizarre things you have said in this thread, amongst them was that you think it is okay to worship a bull so long as one is sincere.

 

[FrDavid96]

Back to point A so soon? “One God” point A

Thus, the OPs question has been answered.

One God.

The end.

The OPs question has been answered.

Anyone is free to ask other questions, and free to discuss other issues. But those other questions would form a different (if related) topic.

 

[Tom_Baum]

Tom,

One person says that I WILL dive off a bridge into the river below
Another person says that I WILL NOT dive off a bridge into the river below

They both refer to the one person…ME

What I actually do or do not do does not mean that I am two persons…

Think about that friend

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Seems as if one but not both might know what they are talking about, is that the point?

If you dove off than the “One person” would be right, if you did not than the “Another person” would be right, kind of like if Jesus is God-Incarnate than the bible would be correct concerning this and if Jesus is not God-Incarnate than the koran would be correct concerning this, is the point that you are talking about that either the bible or the koran could be correct but not both?

 

[FrDavid96]

Seems as if one but not both might know what they are talking about, is that the point?

If you dove off than the “One person” would be right, if you did not than the “Another person” would be right, kind of like if Jesus is God-Incarnate than the bible would be correct concerning this and if Jesus is not God-Incarnate than the koran would be correct concerning this, is the point that you are talking about that either the bible or the koran could be correct but not both?

Does the topic of this thread ask the question “which one is correct?” Because that’s not showing on my monitor.

 

[MorEphrem]

Answer me this, please:

If one person points up at the sky and says “the moon is made of green cheese.”

Another person points up at the sky and says “the moon is not made of green cheese.”

Does that mean that there are 2 moons up in the sky?

This is to say the persons of the Trinity are accidental to the existence of God, not an essential quality. Do you believe this, Father?

I would assume not. This example pertains to referring to the same essence with accidental variance not observing two different essences - which I would say is the difference between the Muslim and Christian God.

 

[Tom_Baum]

Tom,

One person says that I WILL dive off a bridge into the river below
Another person says that I WILL NOT dive off a bridge into the river below

They both refer to the one person…ME

What I actually do or do not do does not mean that I am two persons…

Think about that friend

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You would be the same person whether or not you jumped off the bridge but a person can either be God-Incarnate or not be God-Incarnate, the person can NOT be both only one or the other.

 

[Matthew_Light]

You would be the same person whether or not you jumped off the bridge but a person can either be God-Incarnate or not be God-Incarnate, the person can NOT be both only one or the other.

Or perhaps light can be both particle and wave.

Our minds are so finite, so limited, our conceptions of God are much smaller than even we are, in comparison to Him they are a child’s game of let’s pretend.

We do not carry God around in our pocket.

“No vision taketh in Him, but He taketh in all vision: and He is the Subtile, the All-informed.”

Or

“God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.” while “we see through a glass, but darkly”.

 

[Tom_Baum]

Does the topic of this thread ask the question “which one is correct?” Because that’s not showing on my monitor.

IgnatianPhilo asked on another post, “You have yet to respond to this servant, though out of all the most bizarre things you have said in this thread, amongst them was that you think it is okay to worship a bull so long as one is sincere.”

I ask you, If “one” were to worship a bull but call this bull the “God of Abraham Who created ALL”, would this “one” be worshipping the same God as Catholics?

 

[FrDavid96]

This is to say the persons of the Trinity are accidental to the existence of God, not an essential quality. Do you believe this, Father?

…

The point you are trying to make is not a point that answers the OPs question.

You are still trying to respond to a question without taking into account what the question is actually asking.

Do you not see the problem in that?

One person asks “what is 2 plus 2?”

Someone answers “6”

That’s the wrong answer.

It does not matter that the one giving the answer can prove all day long that “3 plus 3 equals 6”–which is exactly what’s happening on this thread. It is still the wrong answer.

Because the question was not “what is 3 plus 3?”

You are trying to answer a question by changing the question.

 

[Matthew_Light]

IgnatianPhilo asked on another post, “You have yet to respond to this servant, though out of all the most bizarre things you have said in this thread, amongst them was that you think it is okay to worship a bull so long as one is sincere.”

I ask you, If “one” were to worship a bull but call this bull the “God of Abraham Who created ALL”, would this “one” be worshipping the same God as Catholics?

Person 1: in his mind worships a bull, calls the bull the God of Abraham, loves his fellow human beings, is kind, thinks well of them, serves God through his actions.

Person 2: in his mind worships God through His Son Jesus Christ, looks down on many of his fellow human beings, finds faults with them, is too busy with self-centeredness to genuinely serve God,

Which, Person 1 or Person 2 is ACTUALLY worshiping God? The one with a mistaken intellectual concept who lives with his heart in Christ’s love, or the one with a more correct intellectual concept who fails to live with his heart in Christ’s love?