Do Muslims Worship the True God?

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Muslims do not worship Jesus and Holy Spirit and nothing else except God. Muslims are very far away from such thoughts. Christians think faith of Muslim is incomplete according to faith which was established by Church. That is true. Faith of Muslims is incomplete according to Church and that is problem of Church. Faith of Muslims is very valid in all scriptures but how about faith of Church? It is not work of Church to decide what is true God while it support doctrines which is equal to paganism.
 
ialsop said:
Are you referring to the Jewish and Christain religions? No, different God too…

OR are you referring to the Old and New Testaments? In that case, yes, same exact God. Name me one real contradiction.
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Well then you better change your religion moniker.
Because the Church you belong to says otherwise.
 
Servant19 said:
Firstly, please clarify. Are you saying that the God of Judaism is a different God to the God of Christianity? :eek:

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The God of the Old Testament, of Abraham and Moses, YHWH, the Great I Am, IS the only eternal Lord of the Christians. And everybody.

But the God envisioned by post-Christain rabbis is not that God.
 
I understand that Vatican II intimated this, so it is perfectly Catholic of you to say that. However, it is not what ALL Popes and saints have said for sure.

Opinions widely differ within our own Church. It is just harder to see because most modern day Catholics agree with you, or even say that Judaism is salvific.
 
Son_of_Niall said:
Well then you better change your religion moniker.
Because the Church you belong to says otherwise.
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Question: Do the Jews say the worship the God of the New Testament?

No…

But WE KNOW that the God of the OT and the God of the NT are one in the same.

So if the Jews reject God revealed in the NT, how can they accept Him revealed in the OT?
 
ialsop said:
I understand that Vatican II intimated this, so it is perfectly Catholic of you to say that. However, it is not what ALL Popes and saints have said for sure.

Opinions widely differ within our own Church. It is just harder to see because most modern day Catholics agree with you, or even say that Judaism is salvific.
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Very PC way of saying 'you’re a typical “Vatican 2” Catholic who doesn’t get it".
Sorry, if you want to join the SSPX and spout anti-Catholic rhetoric, that’s your right. But I stand with the Catholic Church, not the traditionalist version of the Church.
 
ialsop said:
Question: Do the Jews say the worship the God of the New Testament?

No…

But WE KNOW that the God of the OT and the God of the NT are one in the same.

So if the Jews reject God revealed in the NT, how can they accept Him revealed in the OT?
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Why don’t you ask the Magisterium of the church you claim to follow? THEY have the authority.
Do you follow that authority?
 
Son_of_Niall said:
Why don’t you ask the Magisterium of the church you claim to follow? THEY have the authority.
Do you follow that authority?
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So give me a quote. Everything the Church teaches is in line with logic.

Why haven’t you presented me with any evidence of what the Church teaches?
 
Son_of_Niall said:
Very PC way of saying 'you’re a typical “Vatican 2” Catholic who doesn’t get it".
Sorry, if you want to join the SSPX and spout anti-Catholic rhetoric, that’s your right. But I stand with the Catholic Church, not the traditionalist version of the Church.
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Insult me all you want, it doesn’t change the conversation.

So, when are you going to give me actual proof that the Church teaches what you’re saying? BTW Church teaching doesn’t change, so there IS no “V2 Church” or “Traditional Church”. It is all one CATHOLIC Church throughout the ages, before, now, and after.

Do you believe that?

Anyways, if you can prove to me that the Church teaches Jews worship the same God as Catholics, then I will say sorry and admit I was wrong. All you’ve done so far, though, is insult me. 🤷
 
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This conversation is exactly why Muhammad and Baha’u’llah have been sent by God.

Carry on…

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Thanks Jharek.
Balls in your court ialsop…
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Bueller?
 
This conversation has gone on before but I’ll repeat the most basic point for those of us who say Muslims do not worship the true God. In denying Christ they essentially deny who God is. Why should we think since Muslims explicitly deny who God is ( a Trinity) that they are worshipping the one God?

The only argument is to suggest that Muslims are worshipping the True God despite their explicit denial of Jesus being God. This worship is imperfect but nonetheless God receives it despite the Muslim, especially when they are exposed to Christianity, explicitly rejecting the trinity and not regarding Jesus in any way as divine.

It doesn’t seem possible to me to classify the Muslim who worships in that way, with the specific intention of making a distinction between Allah and Jesus that they worshipping the true God who is Trinity. Now it might be possible to say some Muslims who do not make that distinction, have a basic faith in a basic concept of Monotheism that their worship might be accepted in some way, but in that case is that person being a faithful or good Muslim? They are not.

I can’t speak about Muslims who have not been confronted with the gospel but for the Muslims confronted with the Gospel can we all agree that if they continue to reject the Truth they are not worshipping the True God?
Servant19 said:
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This conversation is exactly why Muhammad and Baha’u’llah have been sent by God.

Carry on…

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I don’t get this. Ali Nuri nor Islam have been particularly useful in quelling this conversation since its because of Muhammad we are having this conversation in the first place.
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
I don’t get this. Ali Nuri nor Islam have been particularly useful in quelling this conversation since its because of Muhammad we are having this conversation in the first place.
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Yes they have Ignatius.

We now have 1.6 billion people not divided in any way about their own religions God. He is Allah, the Father. All 1.6 billion agree with that.

I see Christians arguing between denominations, but I never thought I would see Catholics arguing amongst themselves.

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Servant19 said:
Yes they have Ignatius.

We now have 1.6 billion people not divided in any way about their own religions God. He is Allah, the Father. All 1.6 billion agree with that.

I see Christians arguing between denominations, but I never thought I would see Catholics arguing amongst themselves.

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Divide those 1.6 billion people into two main groups Sunni and Shia. You have two groups which basically hate each other. We can also divide between the different schools, approaches to theology and the like which divide those communities. You can see a difference between Sunnis living in the Islamic world who are more authentically Islamic and those Muslims living in the western world which have had to embrace some aspect of western values. Division exists in Islam, it’s part of it’s history.

I still don’t see how Muhammad came to resolve this question when he is the person who started this question in the first place and created a further division in humanity. I don’t get what you intend with your original statement.
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
Divide those 1.6 billion people into two main groups Sunni and Shia. You have two groups which basically hate each other. We can also divide between the different schools, approaches to theology and the like which divide those communities. You can see a difference between Sunnis living in the Islamic world who are more authentically Islamic and those Muslims living in the western world which have had to embrace some aspect of western values. Division exists in Islam, it’s part of it’s history.

I still don’t see how Muhammad came to resolve this question when he is the person who started this question in the first place and created a further division in humanity. I don’t get what you intend with your original statement.
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Actually the question began when the Church started talk of a Triune God.

Shia and Sunni are not divided over the number of Gods Ignatius. That matter is settled. Let us not go off topic by introducing other subjects into this thread 🙂

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Servant19 said:
Actually the question began when the Church started talk of a Triune God.

Shia and Sunni are not divided over the number of Gods Ignatius. That matter is settled. Let us not go off topic by introducing other subjects into this thread 🙂

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Catholics, Orthodox, Orientals and Protestants are not divided over there being one God either Servant. Again, I don’t understand the point you were trying to raise in saying Muhammad was sent to respond to this question. He caused the question in the first place, if anything Muhammad was sent to contradict what had been firmly established in Christendom since the fifth century.
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
Catholics, Orthodox, Orientals and Protestants are not divided over there being one God either Servant. Again, I don’t understand the point you were trying to raise in saying Muhammad was sent to respond to this question. He caused the question in the first place, if anything Muhammad was sent to contradict what had been firmly established in Christendom since the fifth century.
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There is a tremendous number of Christians who believe there are two Gods, the Christian God and Allah (a different God), and now we have a third God it seems, the Jewish God.

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Servant19 said:
There is a tremendous number of Christians who believe there are two Gods, the Christian God and Allah (a different God), and now we have a third God it seems, the Jewish God.

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You are being misleading on purpose. Those Christians believe there is One God and those who reject Allah or Judaism’s theology outright believe that they are either non existent entities or demons. There are not multiple Gods being believed in here, the question is the identity of the beings whom each party respectfully worships. I think perhaps Allah might possibly be Satan at worst, non existent at best.

Again, I don’t see what you intend to accomplish with this Servant. What are you arguing? Are you arguing that Christians and Muslims have the same God? Because I don’t see where or what the argument is.
 
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