Do Muslims Worship the True God?

[Servant19]

You are being misleading on purpose. Those Christians believe there is One God and those who reject Allah or Judaism’s theology outright believe that they are either non existent entities or demons. There are not multiple Gods being believed in here, the question is the identity of the beings whom each party respectfully worships. I think perhaps Allah might possibly be Satan at worst, non existent at best.

Again, I don’t see what you intend to accomplish with this Servant. What are you arguing? Are you arguing that Christians and Muslims have the same God? Because I don’t see where or what the argument is.

Ignatius please.

This is what was stated about Judaism:

Are you referring to the Jewish and Christain religions? No, different God too…
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DIFFERENT GOD.

I can show you plenty of instances where Christians have used the words “DIFFERENT GOD” in reference to Allah too.

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[Ontheway]

Yes they have Ignatius.

God. He is Allah, the Father. All 1.6 billion agree with that.

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I beg to differ, most profoundly. First, no Muslim will refer to God as father. It is against their religion.
Further, Father implies a Son, and this takes us to where we all belong. Christianity.

Why, oh servant, do you continue to mix thing up? Whom do you serve?

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Ignatius please.

This is what was stated about Judaism:

DIFFERENT GOD.

I can show you plenty of instances where Christians have used the words “DIFFERENT GOD” in reference to Allah too.

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Yeah, they don’t literally mean that Allah is an entity equal to the God they worship. What is meant is that there is a formal difference made between the Allah of Islam and the God of Christianity, hence it is appropriate to call that being a “Different God.” Usually those of us who believe this believe in two basic things, either Allah is demonic or he is a non existent entity. He is not literally another God competing or equal to the ONE GOD. Christians might believe in different spiritual realities but allegiance and worship is given to the One God servant, so I don’t see how what he said establishes your point about us believing in three Gods. It’s misleading to say that and you know it, is beyond your attempts to be smart.

As far as Judaism is concerned, I think that is a valid opinion for a Christian to have, since Jews when Christianity was revealed have formally rejected their God (Jesus) who died and rose from the dead for them. Hence the entity Jews now worship is an entity which is in part a response to the revelation of Jesus.

So what is the argument you are trying to make Servant? What is the ultimate point behind these assertions because I just don’t see it. Are you attempting to demonstrate Muslims and Christians have the same God? If so I don’t think you have done a good job.

 

[Servant19]

I beg to differ, most profoundly. First, no Muslim will refer to God as father. It is against their religion.
Further, Father implies a Son, and this takes us to where we all belong. Christianity.

Why, oh servant, do you continue to mix thing up? Whom do you serve?

No mixing up Ontheway. Muslims deny the lofty stations of the Son and the Holy Spirit, but they see the Father in the NT as a reference to Him who bestowed Prophethood unto Jesus.

I’m not speaking with authority, I’m simply sharing my experiences with conversing with Muslims

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[Servant19]

Yeah, they don’t literally mean that Allah is an entity equal to the God they worship. What is meant is that there is a formal difference made between the Allah of Islam and the God of Christianity, hence it is appropriate to call that being a “Different God.” Usually those of us who believe this believe in two basic things, either Allah is demonic or he is a non existent entity. He is not literally another God competing or equal to the ONE GOD. Christians might believe in different spiritual realities but allegiance and worship is given to the One God servant, so I don’t see how what he said establishes your point about us believing in three Gods. It’s misleading to say that and you know it, is beyond your attempts to be smart.

As far as Judaism is concerned, I think that is a valid opinion for a Christian to have, since Jews when Christianity was revealed have formally rejected their God (Jesus) who died and rose from the dead for them. Hence the entity Jews now worship is an entity which is in part a response to the revelation of Jesus.

So what is the argument you are trying to make Servant? What is the ultimate point behind these assertions because I just don’t see it. Are you attempting to demonstrate Muslims and Christians have the same God? If so I don’t think you have done a good job.

So when Christians say “different God” what they really mean is “same God, different attributes”? But only in regards to Judaism?

But in regards to Islam, Allah is either a demon or “non-existent entity” (whatever that is)?

Is that an accurate summary of your beliefs Ignatius?

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[worldcitizen]

A question.

Officially, doesn’t the church teach that all Abrahamic religions worship the same God?

So does the Catholic Church officially state somewhere that Muslims worship the same God as you do?

If so I’d be interested to see the text and get a copy. Because seeing what we have in common rather than our differences will help bring out peace.

Your wonderful pope called Muslims his brothers and I’m sure somewhere he said you both worship the same God.

I’d like to get official information from the church about what it says about Islam’s belief in God not so much about Muhammad. Thanks.

 

[Ontheway]

No mixing up Ontheway. Muslims deny the lofty stations of the Son and the Holy Spirit, but they see the Father in the NT as a reference to Him who bestowed Prophethood unto Jesus.

I’m not speaking with authority, I’m simply sharing my experiences with conversing with Muslims

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Not so. Me thinks there is a contradiction here. Here is what you wrote in the previous post. "
We now have 1.6 billion people not divided in any way about their own religions God. He is Allah, the Father. All 1.6 billion agree with that. "

All Muslims agree that Allah is the Father? Not one Muslim will agree with that. This is simply not true.
Your original statement is wrong, as is your follow up.

 

[ialsop]

Thank you.

I was unaware of this part of the CCC.

So, I am sorry for saying contrary. You were right. Now, does that mean that Judaism is salvific? I don’t understand that now.

 

[ialsop]

Thanks Jharek.
Balls in your court ialsop…
ialsop…
ialsop…
Bueller?

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[Ontheway]

A question.

Officially, doesn’t the church teach that all Abrahamic religions worship the same God?

So does the Catholic Church officially state somewhere that Muslims worship the same God as you do?

If so I’d be interested to see the text and get a copy. Because seeing what we have in common rather than our differences will help bring out peace.

Your wonderful pope called Muslims his brothers and I’m sure somewhere he said you both worship the same God.

I’d like to get official information from the church about what it says about Islam’s belief in God not so much about Muhammad. Thanks.

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.
All humanity is God’s creation, hence we are all brothers.
As creatures of the ONE GOD, if we worship God, we all worship that ONE GOD.

 

[ialsop]

Triune God
Circumcision
Original sin
The Messiah will be God
Law of divorce
Sabbath

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Triune God? That is revealed in both the OT and NT, no contradiction here.
Circumcision? Blood atonement for sins, first practiced in that form, but only as a prefiguring of Christ’s Cross. No contradiction.
Original Sin? I don’t understand this. There is no difference in OT vs NT about this.
The Messiah IS God. Both OT and NT agree.
law of divorce? Jesus explained that Moses allowed divorce, but God never did.
Sabbath? Still here. We just moved it. No contradiction…

I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

Thank you.

I was unaware of this part of the CCC.

So, I am sorry for saying contrary. You were right.

Glad you admitted you were wrong.

 

[ialsop]

Yes they have Ignatius.

We now have 1.6 billion people not divided in any way about their own religions God. He is Allah, the Father. All 1.6 billion agree with that.

I see Christians arguing between denominations, but I never thought I would see Catholics arguing amongst themselves.

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I apologize to you and to all the other Catholics here for giving a bad witness.
Catholics are unified in doctrine, it is just that not all of us know what the Church believes. For example just now I myself was incorrect. But we are ALL unified under final submission to the CCC.

 

[ialsop]

There is a tremendous number of Christians who believe there are two Gods, the Christian God and Allah (a different God), and now we have a third God it seems, the Jewish God.

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1-I was wrong about Islam and Judaism.
2-One can worship something that doesn’t exist. For example, some worshiped Zues, not God, but that doesn’t mean there is 2 gods, it means that somebody was mistaken.

 

[ialsop]

You are being misleading on purpose. Those Christians believe there is One God and those who reject Allah or Judaism’s theology outright believe that they are either non existent entities or demons. **There are not multiple Gods being believed in here, the question is the identity of the beings whom each party respectfully worships. I think perhaps Allah might possibly be Satan at worst, non existent at best.
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Again, I don’t see what you intend to accomplish with this Servant. What are you arguing? Are you arguing that Christians and Muslims have the same God? Because I don’t see where or what the argument is.

This was my original argument, NOT that there were multiple gods, as Servant claims.

Ignatian, what Servant is trying to do is cause division in a sick way to cause “unity”. He wants to prove that a) Christians aren’t even united about God so b) Nobody has to be. THAT is his argument.

 

[ialsop]

Ignatius please.

This is what was stated about Judaism:

DIFFERENT GOD.

I can show you plenty of instances where Christians have used the words “DIFFERENT GOD” in reference to Allah too.

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In the same way that Zeus is a different “god”. Nobody actually thinks he exists, but he could just as well be referred to as a “different god”.

 

[ialsop]

A question.

Officially, doesn’t the church teach that all Abrahamic religions worship the same God?

So does the Catholic Church officially state somewhere that Muslims worship the same God as you do?

If so I’d be interested to see the text and get a copy. Because seeing what we have in common rather than our differences will help bring out peace.

Your wonderful pope called Muslims his brothers and I’m sure somewhere he said you both worship the same God.

I’d like to get official information from the church about what it says about Islam’s belief in God not so much about Muhammad. Thanks.

Look up “Catechism of the Catholic Church Islam”

Anyways, the Pope is very humanitarian and very loving in his personality. He statement was one of LOVE, not THEOLOGY. It was a pastoral, charitable statement, not a dogmatic pronouncement. We ARE all brothers in Adam. We are brothers as creatures of the same Creator, yes. But…I wonder…what a Muslim would say if you asked him “Are Christians your brothers?”

 

[ialsop]

Glad you admitted you were wrong.

Okay…

I’m glad you showed me the true Catholic teaching.

 

[eddie_too]

muslims, jews and all christians profess that there is only One God.

can we all agree on that?

if not, i will need more information to understand why some disagree with that.

however, muslims, jews and christians have been given different levels of insight in to the nature of the One God that all three profess.

it is the depth of the understanding, at least from what i have read here, that is being debated and not whether the three faiths profess that there is ONLY ONE GOD.

contrast what the non-monotheistic faiths believe about their gods with what the muslims, jews and christians believe. that may help us understand where Vatican II is coming from in its documents about the faith of the jews and the faith of the muslims.

clearly, being a Roman Catholic, i believe along with the magisterium that our understanding of the nature of the One God is both deeper and more complete than that of the muslims and jews. i would add that i also believe that the jewish understanding of the nature of the One God is both deeper and more complete than the muslim understanding.

still, we all three understand God to be One, and agree that among His attributes are that He is eternal, infinite, omnipotent, omniscient and the Creator of all things except sin and evil.

that is how i sort this question out. i guess that means my answer to the OP is yes, although the muslim understanding of the One God is not as deep as that of the jews and christians. the muslim understanding is far more primitive in the sense that it does not contain much, most(?), of the revelation given to jews and christians by God through His Prophets and ultimately through His Incarnate Son.

the most essential aspect of the revelation upon which all of the monotheistic faiths depend is that God is One. but, that is not the ONLY essential aspect of God’s revelation to mankind. also, essential, in the sense of being complete, are the following. that this Supreme and Perfect Being so loved the world that the Second Person of the Holy Trinity (who are the One God) entered in to it by assuming a human nature, thus subjecting Himself to all of the indignities that every human being shares as a consequence of living in a world that has fallen away from its Divinely given purpose so as to give us sinners a means to overcome our fallen natures and the hope that we can. the means He gave us to overcome our fallen natures is faith in the Incarnation and the Incarnation’s victory over death. this victory was made evident and complete through His raising His physical body from the dead and acquainting us with the glorified realm that awaits every human being.

note that neither the jewish faith or the muslim faith accept the complete revelation by God to mankind, but that does not mean they believe in a different God. they lack faith in the fullness of revelation that is the Incarnate Word and His victory over death.

even if the spirit that revealed islam to mohammed was a demon, it remains true that almighty God can advance His plan for mankind using even a demon. as a result of mohammed’s encounter with the spirit from which he received the koran, more than a billion people believe there is only One Supreme Being who is the Creator of all things and who is infinite, eternal, omnipotent and omniscient. that is very significant, at least as i see it.

 

[worldcitizen]

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.
All humanity is God’s creation, hence we are all brothers.
As creatures of the ONE GOD, if we worship God, we all worship that ONE GOD.

Thanks for answering that.

So are we Baha’is your brothers too as we believe in one God?

What about Muslims?