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yesukristus
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What does the CCC say on this matter? Cos one of my friends said that purgatory is one way for Muslims and Buddhists to enter heaven (the Catholic one, that is), which doesn’t seem correct to me.
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Godfollower
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Your friend is incorrect.
When life ends, each of us will (eventually) end up in one of two places: Heaven or Hell. Those ending up in Hell will go there directly.
Those ending up in Heaven can be divided for convenience into two groups: those who are completely free of all sin and tendency to sin; and those who (despite the fact that they are Heaven-bound) are still bound by ties to sin.
The first group (those who are Heaven-bound and have no ties to sin left – e.g., the saints) will go to Heaven directly.
The second group (those who are Heaven-bound but still have some ties to sin left) will first be cleansed of all sin and tendency to sin. This cleansing – or purging – is what we call Purgatory. We don’t know much about it, but it boils down to this: some of us, before entering paradise, will in effect have to take a shower. Once cleaned up, that group will also enter Heaven.
In the end, everyone will be either in Heaven or in Hell. Some of the people in Heaven will have gone through Purgatory; the rest will have entered Heaven directly.
If Purgatory can be spoken of as a place (there is no indication either way), it will be empty once time ends.
It’s true that it is possible for Muslims, Buddhists, and members of any other non-Catholic group to enter Heaven, because the law of God is engraved in every human heart, and it is possible to accept His saving grace despite not having formally joined His Church. I imagine some of those non-Catholic people who make it to Heaven will endure Purgatory. But the idea that Purgatory is just a different doorway for nonbelievers is incorrect.
When life ends, each of us will (eventually) end up in one of two places: Heaven or Hell. Those ending up in Hell will go there directly.
Those ending up in Heaven can be divided for convenience into two groups: those who are completely free of all sin and tendency to sin; and those who (despite the fact that they are Heaven-bound) are still bound by ties to sin.
The first group (those who are Heaven-bound and have no ties to sin left – e.g., the saints) will go to Heaven directly.
The second group (those who are Heaven-bound but still have some ties to sin left) will first be cleansed of all sin and tendency to sin. This cleansing – or purging – is what we call Purgatory. We don’t know much about it, but it boils down to this: some of us, before entering paradise, will in effect have to take a shower. Once cleaned up, that group will also enter Heaven.
In the end, everyone will be either in Heaven or in Hell. Some of the people in Heaven will have gone through Purgatory; the rest will have entered Heaven directly.
If Purgatory can be spoken of as a place (there is no indication either way), it will be empty once time ends.
It’s true that it is possible for Muslims, Buddhists, and members of any other non-Catholic group to enter Heaven, because the law of God is engraved in every human heart, and it is possible to accept His saving grace despite not having formally joined His Church. I imagine some of those non-Catholic people who make it to Heaven will endure Purgatory. But the idea that Purgatory is just a different doorway for nonbelievers is incorrect.
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1ke
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Can your friend expand on this odd notion of his and tell us how that works?What does the CCC say on this matter? Cos one of my friends said that purgatory is one way for Muslims and Buddhists to enter heaven (the Catholic one, that is), which doesn’t seem correct to me.
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Heysus_Christo
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Correct me if i am wrong, but NO. and i think my cousin jessie told me the Jews can’t either.
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Prayer_Warrior
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Anyone who is saved, but not fully purified at the time of their death, will go through purification which is called purgatory. Nothing unclean shall enter heaven. This includes all people Catholic and non-Catholic who are saved. See ccc 847 if you want to know more about the Church’s teaching on non-Catholics being saved.
Purgatory is not necessarily a place, it is a state of being purified. Since the spiritual realm resides outside of space and time, we can’t necessarily say “how long” a person may be “in” purgatory. However, at the end of time, the Lord will separate all the sheep from the goats. The souls in purgatory will go with the Lord. Purgatory will no longer be necessary because all saved souls will have been purified and will live forever with God.
Purgatory is not necessarily a place, it is a state of being purified. Since the spiritual realm resides outside of space and time, we can’t necessarily say “how long” a person may be “in” purgatory. However, at the end of time, the Lord will separate all the sheep from the goats. The souls in purgatory will go with the Lord. Purgatory will no longer be necessary because all saved souls will have been purified and will live forever with God.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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Possibly. Any person who dies in friendship with God, not opposed to God, or has not rejected God. Could be saved by God in an extraordinary manner, by God supplying the Grace of Baptism outside of the Sacrament. A person who dies in this state but not perfected would go to Purgatory before entering Heaven. It is thought that those so saved do not have the Mark of Sacramental Baptism and are not admitted to the Beatific Vision by some Fathers, and actually a few popes in their writings.What does the CCC say on this matter? Cos one of my friends said that purgatory is one way for Muslims and Buddhists to enter heaven (the Catholic one, that is), which doesn’t seem correct to me.
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Verbum
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ΗΙ Yesu,
heaven (the Catholic one, that is
Heaven is being with God. There is only one God. Therefore there is only one heaven.There is no “Catholic heaven”.
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heaven (the Catholic one, that is
Heaven is being with God. There is only one God. Therefore there is only one heaven.There is no “Catholic heaven”.
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cranster
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There is one thing to think about if being fortunate enough to make it to purgatory is that it is a place of purification for those who die in a state of Grace. To die in a state of grace means a person has to be free of the stain of mortal sin on their soul.
The good news is that Jesus gave us a way to have the stain of mortal sin removed from our soul, and that is the Sacrament of Reconciliation. The bad news is that the Catholic Church, and possibly the Orthodox Church are the only in Christendom that have this Sacrament. It would be very difficult (not impossible) for non Catholics to have mortal sin removed from their soul without the absolution of a validly ordained priest. I believe it would require perfect contrition, but that I’m sure is a very difficult thing for anyone to have, better off using the avenue opened by God Himself to get in a state of grace. No one can enter the state of purification with mortal sin on the soul.
That’s why I feel awful for ex Catholics who left the Church to “Get Saved” and have forfeited the ability to maintain a state of Grace.
The good news is that Jesus gave us a way to have the stain of mortal sin removed from our soul, and that is the Sacrament of Reconciliation. The bad news is that the Catholic Church, and possibly the Orthodox Church are the only in Christendom that have this Sacrament. It would be very difficult (not impossible) for non Catholics to have mortal sin removed from their soul without the absolution of a validly ordained priest. I believe it would require perfect contrition, but that I’m sure is a very difficult thing for anyone to have, better off using the avenue opened by God Himself to get in a state of grace. No one can enter the state of purification with mortal sin on the soul.
That’s why I feel awful for ex Catholics who left the Church to “Get Saved” and have forfeited the ability to maintain a state of Grace.
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JustaServant
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In regard to the Catholics who left to ‘get saved’.That’s why I feel awful for ex Catholics who left the Church to “Get Saved” and have forfeited the ability to maintain a state of Grace.
Can they truly be called ‘ex’ if they were Baptized and Confirmed in the Church? Those two Sacraments are permanant. They have not become atheists, they have a semblance of faith that is dwarfed and imcomplete.
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allischalmers
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Hebrews 10; 14 For by one offering (Christ death on the cross) he hath perfected (and perfect in the eyes of God) for ever them that are sanctifed.There is one thing to think about if being fortunate enough to make it to purgatory is that it is a place of purification for those who die in a state of Grace. To die in a state of grace means a person has to be free of the stain of mortal sin on their soul.
The good news is that Jesus gave us a way to have the stain of mortal sin removed from our soul, and that is the Sacrament of Reconciliation. The bad news is that the Catholic Church, and possibly the Orthodox Church are the only in Christendom that have this Sacrament. It would be very difficult (not impossible) for non Catholics to have mortal sin removed from their soul without the absolution of a validly ordained priest. I believe it would require perfect contrition, but that I’m sure is a very difficult thing for anyone to have, better off using the avenue opened by God Himself to get in a state of grace. No one can enter the state of purification with mortal sin on the soul.
That’s why I feel awful for ex Catholics who left the Church to “Get Saved” and have forfeited the ability to maintain a state of Grace.
Protestants are always prefect in the eyes of God and there is no purgatory waiting for them.
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cranster
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Ex Catholics is what they usually call themselves. Lapsed or whatever word you want to use, if they are not minimally attending Sunday Mass they are not in good standing, and do have to deal with the issue of the mortal sin of skipping Sunday Mass.In regard to the Catholics who left to ‘get saved’.
Can they truly be called ‘ex’ if they were Baptized and Confirmed in the Church? Those two Sacraments are permanant. They have not become atheists, they have a semblance of faith that is dwarfed and imcomplete.
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yesukristus
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Heaven is being with God. There is only one God. Therefore there is only one heaven.There is no “Catholic heaven”
What I meant was that Heaven, regardless of who you are or who you worship, will be Catholic in nature.
I suppose seeing purgatory as a cleansing place for all people who is a convenient way of reconciling the fact that non-Catholics can be saved with “there is no salvation outside the Church”.
What I meant was that Heaven, regardless of who you are or who you worship, will be Catholic in nature.
I suppose seeing purgatory as a cleansing place for all people who is a convenient way of reconciling the fact that non-Catholics can be saved with “there is no salvation outside the Church”.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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They are still and always will be Baptized and Confirmed Christians, They will be Catholics until the formally leave the Church.In regard to the Catholics who left to ‘get saved’.
Can they truly be called ‘ex’ if they were Baptized and Confirmed in the Church? Those two Sacraments are permanant. They have not become atheists, they have a semblance of faith that is dwarfed and imcomplete.
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Verbum
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Hi Yesu,
What I meant was that Heaven, regardless of who you are or who you worship, will be Catholic in nature.
I suppose you mean that it will be what Catholic doctrine teaches?
I suppose seeing purgatory as a cleansing place for all people who is a convenient way of reconciling the fact that non-Catholics can be saved with "there is no salvation outside the Church
Purgatory is the designated cleansing place for all people not going to hell. There is no second thought here.
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What I meant was that Heaven, regardless of who you are or who you worship, will be Catholic in nature.
I suppose you mean that it will be what Catholic doctrine teaches?
I suppose seeing purgatory as a cleansing place for all people who is a convenient way of reconciling the fact that non-Catholics can be saved with "there is no salvation outside the Church
Purgatory is the designated cleansing place for all people not going to hell. There is no second thought here.
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Sarah_Angel
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I believe you are taking this verse out of context. I thought this entire passage was talking about how it is unnecessary to perform sacrifices and offerings after Jesus performed the ultimate sacrifice, therefore we no longer needed to sacrifice animals in order to be saved.Hebrews 10; 14 For by one offering (Christ death on the cross) he hath perfected (and perfect in the eyes of God) for ever them that are sanctifed.
Protestants are always prefect in the eyes of God and there is no purgatory waiting for them.
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