Do non-Catholics support illegal immigration like the Catholic Church does?

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We are being bombarded in our diocese with reasons we should resist laws against illegal immigration. Do non-Catholic churches take this position? Are Protestants in favor of illegal immigration like the Catholic Church is?
 
We are being bombarded in our diocese with reasons we should resist laws against illegal immigration. Do non-Catholic churches take this position? Are Protestants in favor of illegal immigration like the Catholic Church is?
I don’t think anyone’s in favor of “illegal immigration.” What many of us are in favor of is hospitality toward the stranger. And I for one am very angry with the legal positivism that refuses amnesty on the grounds that “these people should not be rewarded for breaking the law” without asking whether the law was just in the first place.

Both of these positions–advocating hospitality and insisting that positive law must be grounded in natural law–are of course Catholic positions, but they are also generally held by “mainline” Protestant denominations. (Both the Episcopal and United Methodist Churches have a very strong stand in favor of hospitality toward immigrants.) The specifically evangelical denominations may have congregations that are also active in this issue, but the denominations as a whole generally do not take a stand on this issue (many conservative Protestants–and evidently many conservative Catholics as well–are of course opposed to any “amnesty” for illegal immigrants).

A Hispanic Pentecostal friend of mine wrote an article recently complaining that Pentecostal denominations (and other groups with a large Hispanic membership, including the Mormons) were silent on these issues. I think this is generally true.

Edwin
 
The title of this thread contains a factual error.

I do not believe the Catholic Church supports illegal immigration. The Church does support the idea that immigrants be treated well and that emigration and immigration be permitted. I think the Church does recognize the sovereign right of countries to have reasonable controls on immigration.

The question is whether the immigration laws in the USA are just. I think, in general, they are. However, I would like to see better stiffer penalties against those who exploit immigrants, legal or illegal. Some bishops in the USA agree with this, others do not. I believe either position can be correct based on prudential judgment.
 
Hi,

the question was asked if other Churches support illegal immigration?? I’m Eastern Orthodox Christian and on the my Church behalf it dosen’t not in support illegal immigration as far as I know.

I use to be RC but left and this would have been one of the reasons I would leave. One may ask why leave the faith for this.
I feel that if a Church is truely the Church built by Christ it would follow the laws of the land as long as it didn’t force to violate it faith. I left for other reasons that we need not add to this topic.

Remember that Jesus Christ said to Roman Governor “If it was not given to you” Forgive me if I didn’t get quote just right but you understand my point.

Never once did Jesus break any Roman Law other then say HE was the Christ. Son of the Living GOD.

RC Church should be follow the laws of this country and not violate it. Many abuse I have seen go on and it should stop. It is up to Catholic to speak up and stop the Church and tell it to follow the laws that are laid down for the good of the country and it people. When law and order break down you know what we will get.

If the Catholic Church keeps doing this it will give all Christians a bad name before the papans and non-Christians that live in the USA.

Wanted to vent my anger with what I see as wrong.

Have a great day.
 
Hi,

the question was asked if other Churches support illegal immigration?? I’m Eastern Orthodox Christian and on the my Church behalf it dosen’t not in support illegal immigration as far as I know.

I use to be RC but left and this would have been one of the reasons I would leave. One may ask why leave the faith for this.
I feel that if a Church is truely the Church built by Christ it would follow the laws of the land as long as it didn’t force to violate it faith.
And this is exactly why I could never be Orthodox. The Faith cannot be separated from questions of justice and mercy.
Remember that Jesus Christ said to Roman Governor “If it was not given to you” Forgive me if I didn’t get quote just right but you understand my point.
It’s an odd point in this context. If you are comparing the arrest of Jesus to the deportation of illegal immigrants, and saying that it is wrong to shelter or help such immigrants or try to change the laws concerning them, it would follow that Judas was a hero. He, after all, cooperated with the authorities in handing Jesus over.

Note that no one is proposing that we use violence to protect undocumented immigrants, so Jesus’ rebuke to Peter does not apply.
Never once did Jesus break any Roman Law other then say HE was the Christ. Son of the Living GOD.
And that is an inevitably political claim. He was claiming to be the true King, and the Romans knew exactly what they meant. That’s why they crucified Him. They reserved this treatment for rebels.

In the claim that Jesus is Lord is involved the claim that Caesar is not Lord. It’s as simple as that. It’s one or the other. (Note that in the famous case of the taxation money, Jesus says to give God what is God’s. Obviously what is God’s is everything–everything that matters, of course. Let Caesar have his filthy, idolatrous money. But give yourselves to God. How can the passage be interpreted otherwise without denying the sovereignty of God?)
RC Church should be follow the laws of this country and not violate it. Many abuse I have seen go on and it should stop. It is up to Catholic to speak up and stop the Church and tell it to follow the laws that are laid down for the good of the country and it people.
Sorry, but it is the task of Christians to care about all people, not just Americans.
When law and order break down you know what we will get.
If the Catholic Church keeps doing this it will give all Christians a bad name before the papans and non-Christians that live in the USA.
Well, actually most non-Christians in this country are politically “liberal” as such things are defined these days, and this is one of the Catholic policies that they agree with. So you’re wrong here. That is of course not an argument in favor of the Catholic Church’s position.
Wanted to vent my anger with what I see as wrong.
And yet you have provided no genuinely Christian or moral argument, only the old call of idolatrous Caesar-worship. Talk about paganism? This is real paganism.

Edwin
 
I don’t think anyone’s in favor of “illegal immigration.”
Even the initial post holds a contradiction in the title. Resisting laws against illegal immigration is not the same as breaking laws or supporting illegal immigrations. Their is nothing wrong with resisting any and all legistlation that one disagrees with. That is how laws are changed in this country. It is not as if anyone here in America is going to immigrate here illegally if they are already here.
 
Hello

Anyone that breaks the law should go to jail. If I were able to find out anyone breaks the law in this country I would turn them in to law enforcement.

I go to bed with a clear heart that I been a good Christian.

I have not done evil in GOD eyes when I follow the laws of this country. GOD laws come first before mans.

Fr Pottor and Fr Gaggen were Priests that were arrested for sexual abuse of Altar boys. These men were arrested and sent to the State Police head quarters next to my and were held there until their trail.

Was it good for them to break the law?? When you say it Christian can break the law; how is to make that choice. One of the Priest that spoke about hung himself so that he would not have to send time in jail.

The illegal immigrants are going to end up hurting this county and destroying moral fabric of this country.
Don’t forget that terrorist are also coming across the border. We could one be face wit car bombings in cities in the USA.
 
Hello

Anyone that breaks the law should go to jail. If I were able to find out anyone breaks the law in this country I would turn them in to law enforcement.
If we are comparing illegal immigration to child abuse, then we could just as easily go the other way. When anyone passes you going in excess of the speed limit, do you phone them in?

We are not obligated to play INS police. If one wants to report someone here illegally, I would be curious to know how they are aware of that status. Even the INS has to investigate each case to determine illegal status.
 
I don’t know that any churhc is in favor or illegal immigration, but I think many have taken a stand that those who come here are still people and should be treated with respect.
 
Hi

Seeing what the Catholic support from illegal immigration to the Democrats Party. I seen Cardinal Law give communion to Sen. Ted Kennedy. Sen. Ted Kennedy must be a great Catholic and follow it’s beliefs.

Everyday I get up I thank GOD that I’m Orthodox Christian and not Catholic.

Have a great day.
 
Hi

Seeing what the Catholic support from illegal immigration to the Democrats Party. I seen Cardinal Law give communion to Sen. Ted Kennedy. Sen. Ted Kennedy must be a great Catholic and follow it’s beliefs.

Everyday I get up I thank GOD that I’m Orthodox Christian and not Catholic.

Have a great day.
Boy, did you every jump. You don’t sell used cars to you? This is classic bait and switch.
 
The title of this thread contains a factual error.

I do not believe the Catholic Church supports illegal immigration. The Church does support the idea that immigrants be treated well and that emigration and immigration be permitted. I think the Church does recognize the sovereign right of countries to have reasonable controls on immigration.

The question is whether the immigration laws in the USA are just. I think, in general, they are. However, I would like to see better stiffer penalties against those who exploit immigrants, legal or illegal. Some bishops in the USA agree with this, others do not. I believe either position can be correct based on prudential judgment.
In general, I think anyone who complains they are unjust would need to explain why, backed by some theological grounds, and provide a better solution.

People forget border security isn’t just about keeping out Mexicans; it is more importantly about keeping out any terrorist who decides the easiest way to drive a truck full of dirty bombs into the US is by simply driving across the Texas border.

If you were a terrorist, what would you do: try to get through airport security at JFK, or drive a flatbed across from Tiajuana?
 
Hello

Anyone that breaks the law should go to jail. If I were able to find out anyone breaks the law in this country I would turn them in to law enforcement.

I go to bed with a clear heart that I been a good Christian.

I have not done evil in GOD eyes when I follow the laws of this country. GOD laws come first before mans.

Fr Pottor and Fr Gaggen were Priests that were arrested for sexual abuse of Altar boys. These men were arrested and sent to the State Police head quarters next to my and were held there until their trail.

Was it good for them to break the law?? When you say it Christian can break the law; how is to make that choice. One of the Priest that spoke about hung himself so that he would not have to send time in jail.

The illegal immigrants are going to end up hurting this county and destroying moral fabric of this country.
Don’t forget that terrorist are also coming across the border. We could one be face wit car bombings in cities in the USA.
Way to throw is a reference to the Priest scandal, which by the way, has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.

Go rant in your own topic, please.

And his name is Fr. Geoghan.
 
Hi

Seeing what the Catholic support from illegal immigration to the Democrats Party. I seen Cardinal Law give communion to Sen. Ted Kennedy. Sen. Ted Kennedy must be a great Catholic and follow it’s beliefs.

Everyday I get up I thank GOD that I’m Orthodox Christian and not Catholic.

Have a great day.
Some people receive Holy Communion unworthily and Ted Kennedy left the Catholic Church years ago so I don’t think even he thinks he is a “great Catholic”.
Does the " orthodox christian" church have no sinners? Anyway it’s always great to hear from our sweet non Catholic friends.🤷
 
The USCCB office of Migration and Refugee Policy has a lot of publication that you can read in order to understand the position of the Church. From that office:

“When persons cannot find employment in their country of origin to support themselves and their families, they have a right to find work elsewhere in order to survive. Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right4…More powerful economic nations…have a stronger obligation to accommodate migration flows.” 5

Furthermore, the Church has taught that both the sovereign nation and the immigrant should remain in solidarity by each actively seeking the common good. As Pope John Paul II stated in Solicitudo Rei Socialis: “Those who are more influential, because they have a greater share of goods and common services, should feel responsible for the weaker and be ready to share with them all they possess. Those who are weaker, for their part, in the same spirit of solidarity should not adopt a purely passive attitude, or one that is destructive of the social fabric, but, while claiming their legitimate rights, should do what they can for the good of all.”6
USCCB Position

The United States Catholic Bishops Conference (USCCB) believes that meaningful immigration reform must properly balance the right to migrate and the right to regulate migration. Thus, the USCCB opposes “enforcement only” immigration policies because they lack proper accommodation of the right to migrate. Instead, the USCCB supports “comprehensive” immigration policies that pare valid enforcement laws with fair and generous legalization measures. The U.S. Catholic Bishops have outlined various elements of their proposal for comprehensive immigration reform. The key elements of comprehensive reform advocated by the Bishops are:

Earned Legalization: An earned legalization program with a path to citizenship would require unauthorized workers to work for several years, take English courses, and pay a fine in order to participate in the program. Such a program would help stabilize the workforce, promote family unity, and bring a large population “out of the shadows,” as members of their communities.

Enforcement: The Bishops support the legitimate and important role of the United States government in enforcing immigration law at the border and in the interior. The Bishops also believe that by replacing illegal migration with legal migration, law enforcement will be better able to focus upon those who truly threaten public safety: drug and human traffickers, smugglers, and would-be terrorists. Any enforcement measures must be targeted, proportional, and humane.

Future Worker Program: A worker program to permit foreign-born workers to enter the country safely and legally would help reduce illegal immigration and the loss of life in the American desert. Any program should include workplace protections, living wage levels, safeguards against the displacement of U.S. workers, and family unity.

Family-based immigration reform: It currently takes years for family members to be reunited through the family-based legal immigration system. This leads to family breakdown and, in some cases, illegal immigration. Changes in the family-based immigration should be made to increase the number of family visas available and reduce family reunification waiting times.

Addressing Root Causes: Congress should examine the root causes of migration, such as wage inequities and the lack of job opportunities in sending countries, and seek long-term solutions. The antidote to the problem of illegal immigration is sustainable economic development in sending countries. Ideally, migration should be driven by choice, not necessity.

Restoration of Due Process Rights: Due process rights taken away by the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) should be restored, particularly the use of judicial discretion in deportation proceedings.
 
The question is whether the immigration laws in the USA are just. I think, in general, they are. However, I would like to see better stiffer penalties against those who exploit immigrants, legal or illegal. Some bishops in the USA agree with this, others do not. I believe either position can be correct based on prudential judgment.
I usually agree with you on anything rpp, but the in general part is not really in general. The laws here are terrible. My in-laws couldn’t even get a visa to come to our wedding. What about those poor families who are being raided by the ICE police? That is so unjust. Their kids are US citizens, their spouses are citizens and those families are being torn apart just because our legal system hasn’t figured out a way to make immigration easier for those who have immediate family members who are citizens. That is just unfair.

I am one of those people in favor of a fair reform. If you pay your taxes and your own health insurance, why be treated like the others who come here and commit crimes? I think the reform should contain a penalty, which many wouldn’t mind paying just so they could stay with their husbands, wives, and/or kids.
“When persons cannot find employment in their country of origin to support themselves and their families, they have a right to find work elsewhere in order to survive. Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right4…More powerful economic nations…have a stronger obligation to accommodate migration flows.” 5

Earned Legalization: An earned legalization program with a path to citizenship would require unauthorized workers to work for several years, take English courses, and pay a fine in order to participate in the program. Such a program would help stabilize the workforce, promote family unity, and bring a large population “out of the shadows,” as members of their communities.

Enforcement: The Bishops support the legitimate and important role of the United States government in enforcing immigration law at the border and in the interior. The Bishops also believe that by replacing illegal migration with legal migration, law enforcement will be better able to focus upon those who truly threaten public safety: drug and human traffickers, smugglers, and would-be terrorists. Any enforcement measures must be targeted, proportional, and humane.

Future Worker Program: A worker program to permit foreign-born workers to enter the country safely and legally would help reduce illegal immigration and the loss of life in the American desert. Any program should include workplace protections, living wage levels, safeguards against the displacement of U.S. workers, and family unity.

Family-based immigration reform: It currently takes years for family members to be reunited through the family-based legal immigration system. This leads to family breakdown and, in some cases, illegal immigration. Changes in the family-based immigration should be made to increase the number of family visas available and reduce family reunification waiting times.

Addressing Root Causes: Congress should examine the root causes of migration, such as wage inequities and the lack of job opportunities in sending countries, and seek long-term solutions. The antidote to the problem of illegal immigration is sustainable economic development in sending countries. Ideally, migration should be driven by choice, not necessity.

Restoration of Due Process Rights: Due process rights taken away by the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) should be restored, particularly the use of judicial discretion in deportation proceedings.
Thanks for bringing this up Rebecca! 👍 I agree with all of these points the USCCB makes!

Oh and one more thing… all those illegals who come to make a living here are doing jobs that pay less than the minimum wage, kill themselves working and these jobs are jobs that no resident or citizen would ever do. So, thanks to these illegals we can afford our veggies and fruits, facilities are clean, and many other things that none of us would NEVER get caught doing.
 
I think if we could separate those who sneak in and work hard and those who sneak in rape, murder and deal drugs etc. We would come up with two very seporate policies.
 
I usually agree with you on anything rpp, but the in general part is not really in general. The laws here are terrible. My in-laws couldn’t even get a visa to come to our wedding. What about thos eppor families who are being raided by the ICE police? That is so unjust. Their kids are US citizens, their spouses are citizens and those families are being torn apart just because our legal system hasn’t figured out a way to make immigration easier for those who have immediate family members who are citizens. That is just unfair.

I am one of those people in favor of a fair reform. If you pay your taxes and your own health insurance, why be treated like the others who come here and commit crimes? I think the reform should contain a penalty, which many wouldn’t mind paying just so they could stay with their husbands, wives, and/or kids.

Thanks for bringing this up Rebecca! 👍 I agree with all of these points the USCCB makes!

Oh and one more thing… all those illegals who come to make a living here are doing jobs that pay less than the minimum wage, kill themselves working and these jobs are jobs that no resident or citizen would ever do. So, thanks to these illegals we can afford our veggies and fruits, facilities are clean, and many other things that one of us would NEVER get caught doing.
Well, yessian, I agree that an immigration law that results in breaking up a family is not a just law or at least is not justly enforced. I gues my rather broad statement did not take

I do not like the fact that some people pay illegal immigrant wages below minimum wage. Not only do they do this, they do not pay the taxes for them either. This is exploitation pure and simple. And that, according to the Catechism, is a very grave sin, one of only four which “cry to Heaven for justice”. This is why I am all for very stiff penalties for employers who exploit their workers, especially illegal aliens. Such an employer should have their business license either suspended or revoked (for repeated offenses.)

America is a rich country. We have a moral obligation to allow people who live in poorer or war-torn countries to move here. However, this must be done in an orderly manner. There are bad people out there who want to come here too. This country’s government also has a moral obligation to protect everyone here from criminals and those who would harm others.

Balancing these two is not an easy task.
 
See? I (almost) always agree with your posts rpp! 👍

It would be wonderful if there was a way to separate the bad illegals from the good illegals and make 2 laws from there. I know a few illegals who are just wonderful people and have only come here to be able to feed their children but they pay their taxes every yr and their health insurance monthly. I’d be heart broken to see them be separated just because our legal system hasn’t figured out a way to “fix” the illegal immigration issue.
 
There are millions of illegal immigrants in this country. Thats a fact. My question is "Does America have the manpower, resources and the logistical capability to deport lord only knows how many millions of people this might be. Of course we dont. So I think the answer is to figure out a way to make it easier to make them legal. Im not saying amnesty, but a realistic solution. I think it would be irrational to start rounding up men and women seperating families and such. We need to see the human side to this problem. And think of it, what if all these millions all of a sudden disappeared. I think it would definitely have consequences on the economy and the workforce. I dont think the Catholic Church supports illegal immigration, but supports a more viable and realistic solution. Do I have the answer, no, in fact I dont think anyone has the total answer. In my experience, a group of mexicans was doing some work on my house, and they were very hard working and very polite. Btw, they were here legally…
 
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