Do Oriental Catholics pray to Monophysite saints?

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Hello CAF,

Maybe you could help me with this:

Do Coptic Christians etc. still pray to their Monophysite saints after they unite with Rome? I am interested because I know this has been subject for debate among some Eastern Orthodox in their talks of reunion…

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Nils
 
“Debate” when it comes Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox reunion that is…
 
I don’t know of any Monophysite saints in any Apostolic Church; Eutychianism is a rejected heresy in all Churches.
 
I was not trying to offend anyone with my post and I have a great deal of respect for the Oriental Orthodox.

Let me put it this way instead:

Do Oriental Orthodox pray to Saints who refused to recognize the Council of Chalcedon? “Miaphysite saints” maybe?
 
If you pray to St Cyril of Alexandria who is a Doctor of the Church, you pray to a Miaphysite saint. 😉

If Monophysites teach that Christ’s humanity was swallowed by his divinity like a drop of vinegar in the water, Severus of Antioch is not a Monophysite:
“Flesh does not renounce its existence as flesh, even if it has become God’s flesh, nor has the Word departed from his nature, even if he has been hypostatically united to flesh which possesses a rational and intelligent soul: but the difference also is preserved, and the propriety in the form of natural characteristics of the natures of which Emmanuel consists, since the flesh was not converted into the nature of the Word, nor was the Word changed into flesh.” - St Severus of Antioch, Letter 1

Severus does not teach confusion of the natures:
“Those therefore who confess one incarnate nature of God the Word, and do not confuse the elements of which he consists, recognise also the propriety of those that were joined in union (and a property is that which exists in the form of a manifestation of natural differences), and not that we should ascribe the acts of the manhood only to the human nature, and impute again those of the Godhead separately to God the Word, but they recognise the difference only, not admitting a division: for the principle of union does not admit of division.” - St Severus of Antioch, Letter 1

If Monophysites teach that Christ’s humanity and divinity was mixed or mingled into one nature, Severus of Antioch is not a Monophysite
He did not take the flesh into the fulness of his own divine nature and mix it with it, nor did he mingle it with his own Godhead, but that in the dispensatory assumption we might understand him to be not without flesh, Emmanuel being wonderfully composed and consisting of two elements, the Godhead and the manhood: but even so he preserved the absence, of mixture in the divine essence, and did not change the essence of the Godhead into the nature of flesh.” - St Severus of Antioch, Letter 25

Of course, Severus was an ardent follower of St Cyril of Alexandria’s Christology:
“Wherefore, we say that the two natures were united, from which there is the one and only Son and Lord, Jesus Christ, as we accept in our thoughts; but after the union, since the distinction into two is done away with, we believe that there is one physis [nature] of the Son, as one, however, one who became man and was made flesh. But if being God the Word he is said to be incarnate and to be made man, let the suspicion of a change be cast somewhere far away, for he has remained what he was, and let the entirely unconfused union be confessed on our part.” - St Cyril of Alexandria, Letter 40:14

Hermias: But if we say that the Nature of the Son is One, even though He be conceived of as Incarnate, all need is there to confess that confusion and commixture take place the nature of man being lost as it were within Him. For what is the nature of man unto the excellency of Godhead?
Cyril: In highest degree, my friend, is he an idle talker who says that confusion and commixture have place, if one Nature of the Son Incarnate and made man, is confessed by us: for one will not be able to make proof thereof by needful and true deductions. But if they set their own. will as a law to us, they devised a counsel which they cannot establish, for we must give heed, not to them but to the God-inspired Scripture… - St Cyril of Alexandria, That Christ is One
 
No I realize that this is a complex question, and personally I do not understand it.

Sometimes the Lebanese Christians put up pictures in Church and I usually pray to the people on them, even if I do not know who they are. In this way I am certainly not the Spanish Inquisition, so the purpose of my thread is rather to understand how wide and open our Church is about different traditions/theologies of the non Latin Christians.

So back to my question: Does this mean that you pray to Severus of Antioch and others in Liturgy etc?

In Christ,
Nils
 
No I realize that this is a complex question, and personally I do not understand it.

Sometimes the Lebanese Christians put up pictures in Church and I usually pray to the people on them, even if I do not know who they are. In this way I am certainly not the Spanish Inquisition, so the purpose of my thread is rather to understand how wide and open our Church is about different traditions/theologies of the non Latin Christians.

So back to my question: Does this mean that you pray to Severus of Antioch and others in Liturgy etc?

In Christ,
Nils
I have not visited an Oriental Catholic (Coptic, Syriac, etc) parish so I do not know about public veneration of them. I privately venerate St Severus of Antioch and have his Icon in my Icon Corner. 🙂
 
So back to my question: Does this mean that you pray to Severus of Antioch and others in Liturgy etc?

In Christ,
Nils
Yes. There is an Anaphora (i.e. Eucharistic Prayer) of Mor Severus. In general, we have a diptych for all the servants who have pleased God from “Adam until this day.” In that they’re included.

Apart from indirect inclusions, Mor Yaqoob dSarug is known as the Flute of the Holy Spirit and occasionally invoked and is a miaphysite. As Zekariya said, Mor Cyril of Alexandria is also a miaphysite, commonly venerated by many Churches. Essentially any post-Chalcedon Syriac saint is necessarily a miaphysite.

Apologies that I could not provide more specific examples.
 
Thank you for your responses, I really appreciate them! Your examples were good enough, I was mainly interested in this matter on a principal matter.

God bless you!
 
No. Dioscorus restored Eutyches after Eutyches denounced the heresy he taught. Dioscorus anathemetized Eutyches when Eutyches fell back into heresy the second and final time.
What was Eutyches’s and Dioscorus’s position during the Robber council of 448?
 
What was Eutyches’s and Dioscorus’s position during the Robber council of 448?
Eutyches had taught that Christ is not of one essence with us. Eutyches renounced his teaching and affirmed that Christ is of one essence with us at the robber council. Dioscorus admitted him back into Communion with the Church. Later Eutyches fell astray again and Dioscorus anathemetized him.
 
What was Eutyches’s and Dioscorus’s position during the Robber council of 448?
Here is the confession of Eutyches at the Council in 448.

“Since my youth, I diligently sought to live in retreat. Today I am exposed to grave danger because in my strict fidelity to the faith, and my refusal to admit any innovation, I sincerely upheld the faith declared at Nicea, and rely continuously on the writings legated to the Church by Abba Kyrillos of blessed memory. I believe in One God the Almighty, Maker of the visible and the invisible; and **in the Lord Jesus the Christ the Only Begotten Son – I mean that He is Consubstantial with the Father; by Him were all things made, in heaven and on earth; He is the One, Who, for us mankind and for our salvation, came down from heaven; He was incarnate and became man;**He suffered and rose from the dead on the third day; He ascended up to heaven from when He shall come to judge the living and the dead. As for all those who say that there was a time when the Son was not, or that He was not before He was born, or that He was created out of nothing or that He is of a different substance, or that His two natures were mixed or mingled – all those who say such things are excommunicated by the mouth of the Church Universal. This is the faith I declare, and which I have received from my fathers; in this faith was I born, and in it I was baptized and consecrated, and ordained priest; by it I lived unto this day and I shall uphold it until I depart from this life.”
 
Eutyches had taught that Christ is not of one essence with us. Eutyches renounced his teaching and affirmed that Christ is of one essence with us at the robber council. Dioscorus admitted him back into Communion with the Church. Later Eutyches fell astray again and Dioscorus anathemetized him.
So Dioscorus was anathematized at Chalcedon because of the illegalities committed at the council of Ephesus in 448? Also, who was to blame for St. Flavian’s death? Thank you for responding.
 
So Dioscorus was anathematized at Chalcedon because of the illegalities committed at the council of Ephesus in 448? Also, who was to blame for St. Flavian’s death? Thank you for responding.
Dioscorus was anathematized at Chalcedon because he did not show up when summoned.
 
Mor, I am happy to see you being awesome and informative everywhere I go…
 
I think the question that the OP poses is

“Do the Oriental Catholics still pray to non-Chalcedonian saints?”

The answer: Yes, eg: St Jacob of Serugh
 
Dioscorus was anathematized at Chalcedon because he did not show up when summoned.
Who was blamed for what happened at the council of Ephesus of 448? Was no one reprimanded? I have read the acts of Chalcedon, but it’s been awhile, I do recall he was summoned multiple times, but he did eventually show up.
 
Yes. There is an Anaphora (i.e. Eucharistic Prayer) of Mor Severus. In general, we have a diptych for all the servants who have pleased God from “Adam until this day.” In that they’re included.

Apart from indirect inclusions, Mor Yaqoob dSarug is known as the Flute of the Holy Spirit and occasionally invoked and is a miaphysite. As Zekariya said, Mor Cyril of Alexandria is also a miaphysite, commonly venerated by many Churches. Essentially any post-Chalcedon Syriac saint is necessarily a miaphysite.

Apologies that I could not provide more specific examples.
Interesting. 🙂 Which church(es) are you speaking of? Maronite?
 
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