Do other Christian denominations accept homosexuality for their own convenience?

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I have an idea that marriage for those with same sex attraction is simply putting a bandage over a very serious condition. No one know why this condition exists. No one knows if it is genetic. If a gene is found to be the cause, it won’t be long before babies with the gene will be aborted just like those babies with Down Syndrome are being aborted. If it is not genetic there needs to be research to find out why. It is possible the this condition is caused by hormones in the mother’s womb. Or it could be because of something in the child’s environment. Whatever the cause is, accepting this condition as normal will close down research to find a cause and a cure.

The Church recognizes that those with same sex attraction carry a heavy burden and the Church is open to them with arms wide open just as it is open to other single men and women who are not married. The Church also teaches that marriage is for the union of a man and a woman. It is no more sinful for those with same sex attraction to engage is sexual behavior as it is for an unmarried person to engage in sexual behavior. The teaching of the Church is true. Truth is often very difficult to accept.
 
Padres1969 said:
There’s some question however as to whether the bible is speaking specifically of what we consider homosexual acts today.
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I welcome you to present evidence of this. The text seems pretty clear on this issue:

Romans 1: 22-32
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While claiming to be wise, they became fools
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and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
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Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts* for the mutual degradation of their bodies.
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They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
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Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
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and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.
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And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.
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They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips
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and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents.
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They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
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Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
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Since the earliest writings we have on the subject, this passage has been explicitly linked with homosexual acts, consensual or otherwise.

Here’s some good reading on the subject which pulls from the writings of the Early church Fathers.
catholic.com/tracts/early-teachings-on-homosexuality
 
HelenRose said:
I have an idea that marriage for those with same sex attraction is simply putting a bandage over a very serious condition. No one know why this condition exists. No one knows if it is genetic. If a gene is found to be the cause, it won’t be long before babies with the gene will be aborted just like those babies with Down Syndrome are being aborted. If it is not genetic there needs to be research to find out why. It is possible the this condition is caused by hormones in the mother’s womb. Or it could be because of something in the child’s environment. Whatever the cause is, accepting this condition as normal will close down research to find a cause and a cure.

The Church recognizes that those with same sex attraction carry a heavy burden and the Church is open to them with arms wide open just as it is open to other single men and women who are not married. The Church also teaches that marriage is for the union of a man and a woman. It is no more sinful for those with same sex attraction to engage is sexual behavior as it is for an unmarried person to engage in sexual behavior. The teaching of the Church is true. Truth is often very difficult to accept.
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They put fluoride in our water, same stuff used in anti depressants, which of course makes us numb and passive.

I have always wondered if this contributes to this homosexual explosion in our society.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
I welcome you to present evidence of this. The text seems pretty clear on this issue:

Romans 1: 22-32

Since the earliest writings we have on the subject, this passage has been explicitly linked with homosexual acts, consensual or otherwise.

Here’s some good reading on the subject which pulls from the writings of the Early church Fathers.
catholic.com/tracts/early-teachings-on-homosexuality
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Don’t have time to go into detail right now, nor is it strictly relevant to this thread, but suffice it to say we both have different interpretations of that passage you bolded. I’ll post a more in depth response later.
 
Padres1969 said:
That’s correct. The first bishop so situated was the now former bishop of New Hampshire Gene Robinson. His joining the episcopate was one of the events that precipitated the Anglican Communion’s latest conundrum with regard to the issue, which as bringing it back to the OP’s question, been anything but convenient.
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Yep, hardly convenient. And yet, as a church we felt a call from Jesus to do unto others and open our arms to all His children.
 
Padres1969 said:
Don’t have time to go into detail right now, nor is it strictly relevant to this thread, but suffice it to say we both have different interpretations of that passage you bolded. I’ll post a more in depth response later.
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This is why a central authority for the interpretation of scripture is necessary. Left solely to us, we could twist the Bible to say anything we want it to.
 
on_the_hill said:
I don’t think it’s to drive up membership…I think it’s simply easier.

Think of how much easier Catholicism would be if only. If only the Church were pro-choice. If only the Church ordained women. If only the Church embraced gay marriage. If only the Church allowed birth control. If only if only if only. Think of how many more members we’d have then. :rolleyes:
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And then we wouldn’t have a Catholic Church.
 
HelenRose said:
I have an idea that marriage for those with same sex attraction is simply putting a bandage over a very serious condition. No one know why this condition exists. No one knows if it is genetic. If a gene is found to be the cause, it won’t be long before babies with the gene will be aborted just like those babies with Down Syndrome are being aborted. If it is not genetic there needs to be research to find out why. It is possible the this condition is caused by hormones in the mother’s womb. Or it could be because of something in the child’s environment. Whatever the cause is, accepting this condition as normal will close down research** to find a cause and a cure.**

The Church recognizes that those with same sex attraction carry a heavy burden and the Church is open to them with arms wide open just as it is open to other single men and women who are not married. The Church also teaches that marriage is for the union of a man and a woman. It is no more sinful for those with same sex attraction to engage is sexual behavior as it is for an unmarried person to engage in sexual behavior. The teaching of the Church is true. Truth is often very difficult to accept.
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Do you think homosexuality is an illness?
 
on_the_hill said:
I don’t think it’s to drive up membership…I think it’s simply easier.

Think of how much easier Catholicism would be if only. If only the Church were pro-choice. If only the Church ordained women. If only the Church embraced gay marriage. If only the Church allowed birth control. If only if only if only. Think of how many more members we’d have then. :rolleyes:
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And it has nothing to do with ministering to broken people who are seeking God? I have LGBT friends who are believers and they will go where they find acceptance. I think the Catholic Church has tried to be welcoming but not enough. There are still too many people saying ugly things to them, about them for them to feel like they belong.
 
Lenten_ashes said:
They put fluoride in our water, same stuff used in anti depressants, which of course makes us numb and passive.

I have always wondered if this contributes to this homosexual explosion in our society.
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I have heard things re what they put in the water over there and am horrified

Thankfil for the private well here and the next (HOPEFUL) house has water from a mountain spring…
 
Picking my jaw off the ground several times on this thread …

The crux of acceptance and that dreadful word “inclusive” is that gays tend not to think that anything they do is wrong and to take a welcome as a welcome to all they do.

Means that a church that welcomes them ? applauds way of life.

The anglican church in which I grew up was a sound and soclailly caring church at base, but it went OTT without real thought…

and this is the campaign where I lived before here.

sites.google.com/site/changingattitudeireland/inclusive

They had a service dedicating to this there.
 
on_the_hill said:
I don’t think it’s to drive up membership…I think it’s simply easier.

Think of how much easier Catholicism would be if only. If only the Church were pro-choice. If only the Church ordained women. If only the Church embraced gay marriage. If only the Church allowed birth control. If only if only if only. Think of how many more members we’d have then. :rolleyes:
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God forbid! I shudder just to think about that possibility. I come from a place where it’s unthinkable if the Church should become like that. Guess we’re the old fashioned weird ones; the Church will stand as a beacon of light for the truth and faces the world with her contradiction. My prayer is that she will stand firm and unchanging with her truth.
 
Rosebud77 said:
Picking my jaw off the ground several times on this thread …
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Hm
The crux of acceptance and that dreadful word “inclusive” is that gays tend not to think that anything they do is wrong and to take a welcome as a welcome to all they do.
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Lots of sweeping generalizations there so it’s difficult to find a point to counter so all I can say is you’re wrong.
Means that a church that welcomes them ? applauds way of life.
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Not, it doesn’t. Courage, while not perfect, is an example. It can be a community for people who are LGTQ, as well as a support system and resource. Courage doesn’t compromise Catholic teaching on sexuality. Many Catholics don’t get this teaching right, and I don’t see many very welcoming to those that are LGBT.
The anglican church in which I grew up was a sound and soclailly caring church at base, but it went OTT without real thought…
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and this is the campaign where I lived before here.
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sites.google.com/site/changingattitudeireland/inclusive
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They had a service dedicating to this there.
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Interesting but not what I was suggesting.
 
Well some churches could do it for more members…sure

But in my honest opinion, they just want the lgbt community to feel God’s love…they have had Christians telling them that they are an abomination and all, and that’s the church way of showing God’s love to them

Problem is that they don’t reeeeally have sound proof that God is against homosexuality. Protestants in many churches interpret scriptures differently-i saw a group of people saying Jesus was praising the gay centurion and didn’t condemn him for his actions and hence, Jesus accepts gay sex. Because interpretations vary, there is bound to be a church that says gay sex is alright, abortions are fine etc 🤷 they genuinely believe it is that way, and that we all got it wrong, so they want to reach out to people that are discriminated against, because they feel that they are being christ-like by doing so

The Church has infallibility etc so we don’t really see the problem as much as other christian denominations
 
jas84173 said:
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I am just curious because it seems kind of strange that a church would change it’s beliefs just to go with the tide, actually a church doing that seems to me to lack any fundamental understanding of what it believes to begin with. That is my opinion anyways.
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Frankly, I am always surprised when I meet people who have the guts to not go with the flow. The ideological pressure is very strong on this issue. Also, sola scriptura opens the door to wild interpretations of Scripture and all sorts of practice. It makes sperfect sense that these groups have taken this route. 🤷
 
I’m not a theologian or a specialist in Church history. But if I could play devil’s advocate for a moment…

It seems to me that the Bible forbids a lot of things that modern Christians don’t have a problem with. Pork, shellfish, working on Sunday, etc. I think most striking, usury. Lending for interest was expressly forbidden in Christiandom for centuries before it started becoming acceptable. (As I understand it. I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong) But if some things can be dismissed, or attitudes changed about others, it seems to me that it would make sense that changes in attitudes regarding other subjects (like homosexuality) aren’t in the realm of impossibility.

I know the topics I brought up are used as slogans against anti-homosexual arguments. I’d be very interested to see why you might think they fail. This topic is very interesting to me.
 
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