Do Pagan/ Wiccan "spells" really work?

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Sandmountain… in what way did having this spell cast upon you adversely affect you? Was is a true manifestation of the spell, or a psychological response (fear, paranoia, etc.) of just knowing that a spell was upon you? Did you believe in the power of the
spell to harm you in some way?:rolleyes: Just curious… no need to answer if this infringes on your privacy in some way.:o
 
Sandmountain… in what way did having this spell cast upon you adversely affect you? Was is a true manifestation of the spell, or a psychological response (fear, paranoia, etc.) of just knowing that a spell was upon you? Did you believe in the power of the
spell to harm you in some way?:rolleyes: Just curious… no need to answer if this infringes on your privacy in some way.:o
It caused me to have problems at work in the beginning and then began to work on my family life. It has been a most unpleasant year.
Sigmund believes himself to be a prophet/king and can be found all over the internet spreading his prophecies, his number one disciple is a fellow named Philip7 who lives in New Jersey.
They promised a curse upon my head and it indeed came to pass, how I do not know. I have been praying without ceasing however and I believe I shall survive:)
WP
 
That doesn’t seem to sound right; magic works on the premise of probability: it’s effectivity is hinged on that. If there is very little chance for it to happen, then magic won’t work, or if it does work it did randomly. However, the greater the chances of an event happening, the greater the chance it will work. So, a weather magic done with about 10% chance of it happening won’t be as effective as, say, 45% chance of it happening. It’s only logical that one would cast magic if the chances are more favourable for the caster.
There are people who cast for things that are very likely to happen anyway. I’m not one of them. My reasons are twofold. 1) I don’t like to do weather magic unless its absolutely necessary. If the weather forecast is showing that rain is likely, I’ll let it happen without any interference from me. 2) I admit that I like to test myself. I get annoyed with people who claim to have every spell work, when all they’re doing is purification or protection spells. I like to see results. If I cast a rain spell when there is a 0% chance of rain, and it rains, then I can be fairly confident that the spell had some effect. If I cast a rain spell on a day when there is an 80% chance of rain, then chances are that the spell had no effect at all.
That seems to be quite odd, since even solitary practitioners would invoke the God and Goddess, though again Wiccan practice can be very random, especially for solitary practitioners.
I’m just a solitary witch. I’m not a Wiccan.
Ivy you’ve been lied to, rain happens all the time at very sporadic random intervals, you don’t control the weather via spells.
You’re entitled to your opinion. I believe otherwise, especially since I live in a very dry part of the US where it doesn’t rain “all the time.” We’ve been in a drought for 8 years now.
 
You’re entitled to your opinion. I believe otherwise, especially since I live in a very dry part of the US where it doesn’t rain “all the time.” We’ve been in a drought for 8 years now.
That’s fine I don’t want to insult you or hurt your feelings, but if you’re in a drought you need to get going on your spells…😃

Take care, i just don’t believe in that stuff, but you’re more than entitled to it.
 
No,
I have never heard it.
Would you mind passing it along to me?
WP
Saint Michael the Archangel defend us in battle. Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil may God rebuke him, we humbly pray and do you O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God cast into hell satan and all the other evil spirits who prowl throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls, Amen.
 
St. Michael is the archangel that does battle with the Devil. I believe he is the one who cast Lucifer into hell when the battle of heaven was waged and Lucifer and all his followers rebelled against God and was thrown out of Heaven. His prayer is very powerful. It used to be said after every mass… I think up until the 60’s. In the movie “The Exorcism of Emily Rose” the priest was being harrassed by demons, and he said the St. Michael prayer repeatedly. I became familiar with it when I bought a holy water bottle from Leaflet Missal Company and it was printed on the side. Me and my kids bless ourselves nightly with holy water and say the prayer. I sometimes even sprinkle holy water around the house just to say to any demons that may be lurking around, trying to tempt us or harm us “not in this house. We serve Jesus here. His angels are protecting us.” Here is the prayer:

St. Michael, the archangel
protect us in the day of battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou, O prince of the Heavenly Host,
by the power of God,
thrust into Hell Satan and all evil spirits who prowl the world seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen

I don’t see how any spell cast on you by anyone could be more powerful than the cross of Jesus and the protection of St. Michael (through the power of God)! Fear not! (or should I say, "Be not afraid- He goes before you always!) a little verse from a hymn we sing in church.🙂
 
That’s fine I don’t want to insult you or hurt your feelings, but if you’re in a drought you need to get going on your spells…😃
Well, it’s not my place to end the drought. 🙂 I can usually make a temporary dent, but the weather as a whole is much bigger than any one person. I wouldn’t want that responsibility anyway.
It caused me to have problems at work in the beginning and then began to work on my family life. It has been a most unpleasant year.
I could give you some pointers on how to defend yourself (assuming your were cursed), but I suspect you’d be more comfortable with the advice given by your Catholic peers. I’m sorry that you’ve had a hard time.
 
I could give you some pointers on how to defend yourself (assuming your were cursed), but I suspect you’d be more comfortable with the advice given by your Catholic peers. I’m sorry that you’ve had a hard time.
Well,
I’m not Catholic but I understand what you meant:) Thanks.
WP
 
If you believe in demons, that’s your prerogative. I stopped believing in them along with the monsters under my bed and the boogeymen in my closet.
Wow, that is so clever and original! Monsters! Boogeyman! Where do you come up with this stuff? :rolleyes:

May I ask why spells would not fall under the same category of superstitious nonsense, in your eyes?
 
My reasons are twofold. 1) I don’t like to do weather magic unless its absolutely necessary. If the weather forecast is showing that rain is likely, I’ll let it happen without any interference from me.
As I understand it as well, Wicca does not actually let someone make weather magic, as this would interfere with nature, and as well we do not have full control of nature.
  1. I admit that I like to test myself. I get annoyed with people who claim to have every spell work, when all they’re doing is purification or protection spells. I like to see results.
I think anyone who casts spells would like to see a result as well. That’s why casting spells is much dependent upon probability: I would not cast a spell if I know the chances of it happening are very low (though I tried that at times), but I would cast one if there’s a great chance of it happening. A spell is done to make that probable chance greater in your favour then.
 
I know that they claim to be totally benevolent and not at all associated with the Christian notion of the Devil and evil. My question is this: do pagan/Wiccan rituals actually DO anything?
Things can happen in one of three ways, through God, through the devil and through science.

If they were doing things through God, they would be saintly… I think it’s safe to say that the Pagan/Wiccan stuff you saw wasn’t Christian (and I think they’d agree! 🙂 )

Rituals can work through infernal power. In the bible, people possessed by unclean spirits had supernatural strength and revealed hidden things like the true identity of Jesus. The witch of Endor summoned Samuel’s spirit and saw through Saul’s disguise. In modern times, Aryan cults took credit for the meteoric success of the Nazi party. I don’t think that the pagans/Wiccans you saw try to call on unclean spirits (and I hope they’d agree! 🙂 )

Scientificaly, the rituals do nothing.

The real cause could be hidden though. God blesses those who please him if, through no fault of their own, they do not know his revealed word and are worshiping him incorrectly. Scientifically there could be nothing happening, but it might seem otherwise thanks to wishful thinking. Diabolically they could be worshiping what appears to be an “angel of light” but is in fact the devil.

My personal experience with magick: A few years back my landlords cast a spell to prevent me from finding my very own studio apartment. But… when I came home to a trench filled with human hair encircling my front door I decided to leave as soon as the month was up. That put them in a hard spot financially so they threatened to give a bad reference to me or any other housemate who moved out. My housemates didn’t like being threatened so ALL of us moved out and got a new place together. Technicaly the spell worked since I never did get my own studio apartment. 😛
 
There are people who cast for things that are very likely to happen anyway. I’m not one of them. My reasons are twofold. 1) I don’t like to do weather magic unless its absolutely necessary. If the weather forecast is showing that rain is likely, I’ll let it happen without any interference from me. 2) I admit that I like to test myself. I get annoyed with people who claim to have every spell work, when all they’re doing is purification or protection spells. I like to see results. If I cast a rain spell when there is a 0% chance of rain, and it rains, then I can be fairly confident that the spell had some effect. If I cast a rain spell on a day when there is an 80% chance of rain, then chances are that the spell had no effect at all.

I’m just a solitary witch. I’m not a Wiccan.

You’re entitled to your opinion. I believe otherwise, especially since I live in a very dry part of the US where it doesn’t rain “all the time.” We’ve been in a drought for 8 years now.
So why not just cast lots and lots of spells to make it rain???

Why put your beloved land through drought if you have the power to fix it???

It sounds too much like why doesn’t a psychic just forecast their own winning lottery numbers 😛
 
So why not just cast lots and lots of spells to make it rain???

Why put your beloved land through drought if you have the power to fix it???

It sounds too much like why doesn’t a psychic just forecast their own winning lottery numbers 😛
Because they can’t! Hehehehe!
 
Please read no disrespect into this… but if the land is in a drought, and you say a spell for it to rain and it does, in spite of a low probability of rain, isn’t it possible (and likely) that many people are also PRAYING to God for rain for their crops or whatever? How can you be sure that the rain is due to spells cast and not to prayers answered? Or is it kindof the same thing… except spells are “prayers” to nature spirits or Goddesses? I suppose many skeptics would tell Christians that their answered prayers were actually coincidences, too… I guess it is in your own heart to believe with the eyes of faith.
 
Wow, that is so clever and original! Monsters! Boogeyman! Where do you come up with this stuff?
Sorry, but as far as I’m concerned, demons are just as fictional as the monsters and the boogeymen. I get really tired of people trying to tell me that I worship demons, just because I practice witchcraft. I put demons in the same category as unicorns, trolls, and invisible space aliens. Some people see demons under every rock, in every teacup. Others see fire-breathing dragons living on their roof or trolls stealing their keys. I think it’s all rather silly. Like I said, if you want to believe in demons, then that’s your prerogative. Just don’t expect me to believe in them, too.
May I ask why spells would not fall under the same category of superstitious nonsense, in your eyes?
I realize you meant that as an insult, but that is actually a very good question, so I’ll give you an honest answer. As I see it, superstition is when people believe that the magic lies in the words or actions. “Step on a crack and break your mother’s back” or “break a mirror and have 7 years of bad luck”. When I was young, I always stepped on all the cracks in the sidewalks on my way to school, just to prove the superstition wrong. There are witches who are superstitious, and I know there are Catholics who are superstitious as well.

Most witches realize that the power doesn’t come from the ritual or the spell, but from within. Ritual is just a tool to help you focus your intent. A successful rite will often cause a physical sensation of being “high,” like being literally drunk with power. If I didn’t ground well, it can also leave me physically exhausted for days. In the hands of a skilled practitioner, spells do get results. Superstition doesn’t have any effect at all.
I think anyone who casts spells would like to see a result as well. That’s why casting spells is much dependent upon probability: I would not cast a spell if I know the chances of it happening are very low (though I tried that at times), but I would cast one if there’s a great chance of it happening. A spell is done to make that probable chance greater in your favour then.
If you cast a spell for something that is sure to happen, what is the point of casting at all? If I cast a spell when there is a 100% chance of rain in the forecast, I would feel like I was wasting my time. I guess it depends on how confident you are in your abilities as a caster. Personally, I like a challenge. 🙂
So why not just cast lots and lots of spells to make it rain???
Like I said, it’s not my place to end the drought. Drought is a natural occurrence; it’s cyclical, and it’s not my job to change weather patterns on a large scale. Casting rain spells constantly would be both unethical and exhausting. I’m not a God. I’m not all powerful. I know my limits.
Please read no disrespect into this… but if the land is in a drought, and you say a spell for it to rain and it does, in spite of a low probability of rain, isn’t it possible (and likely) that many people are also PRAYING to God for rain for their crops or whatever?
I have no doubt that Christians are praying for rain, too. I know someone who prays for rain every day during the summer. Most often, I sit back and do nothing. It doesn’t rain. When I decide to do something, it usually rains within 24 hours. Maybe it’s a coincidence, or maybe not. You’re free to make your own decision.
Or is it kindof the same thing… except spells are “prayers” to nature spirits or Goddesses?
I do pray, but most of my spellcraft is done through energy work, not prayer.
 
I realize you meant that as an insult,
That’s news to me! :confused:
When I was young, I always stepped on all the cracks in the sidewalks on my way to school, just to prove the superstition wrong.
Me too, actually.
There are witches who are superstitious, and I know there are Catholics who are superstitious as well.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Most witches realize that the power doesn’t come from the ritual or the spell, but from within. Ritual is just a tool to help you focus your intent. A successful rite will often cause a physical sensation of being “high,” like being literally drunk with power. If I didn’t ground well, it can also leave me physically exhausted for days. In the hands of a skilled practitioner, spells do get results. Superstition doesn’t have any effect at all.
I know all this. What I meant was, how do you know all that is not superstition and really just a bunch of psychosomatic self-prophecy? I can equally claim I get a “personal high” from the presence of good spirits, and become “physically exhausted” by the malicious intervention of demons, but these statements are not proof of themselves. You would still label them superstition merely because you choose to, and yet these type of statements are the very same as the “evidence” you provide for the efficacy of your spells - namely, nothing more than your subjective feelings. I’m afraid you’re holding everybody up to a big double-standard here.
 
I hired a guy who was a wiccan. Didn’t know it at the time. He was forever casting spells and when he got angry with a customer he etched a pentagram in the glass of their display window in their shop. Wel, he didn’t do it but his wiccan disciples did. He was like head of the coven or something. Anyway, except for reparation to the glass owner, I never felt any problem with him. I was quite comfortable with him. Then…

one day he came to work with a wierd attitude. I know he had been reading the workers compensation brochures the night before. He was acting really withdrawn and somewhat hostile towards me. I went to another area of the store to work and a few minutes later i felt this incredible tingling on the back of my neck. It was like I had just walked into death. He asked me which hospital we used for workers injuries. I told him. A couple minutes later he did a slip and fall where no one could see him. I did the required thing- took him to our hospital filed the claim forms. The idea being he had a broken neck from slipping on our floor. Workers comp investigated and found this was his third slip and fall and also that it was fraud. But the simple fact was if he had been successful, we would have been bankrupt. So since then i have always felt that the spells, and pentagrams while a nuisance and sometimes even vandalism are purely innocuous. But the evil that inspires a person to want to behave like that can be very real and may surface in real terms later. I have only had that tingling twice in my life. This time and once when I went to an abortion doctor because he was the only gyn in our area. Believe me, after the tingling I commuted over three counties to find a gyn who did not perform abortions. And I also do not hire Satanists and/or Wiccans if I can avoid it.
 
What I meant was, how do you know all that is not superstition and really just a bunch of psychosomatic self-prophecy? I can equally claim I get a “personal high” from the presence of good spirits, and become “physically exhausted” by the malicious intervention of demons, but these statements are not proof of themselves. You would still label them superstition merely because you choose to, and yet these type of statements are the very same as the “evidence” you provide for the efficacy of your spells - namely, nothing more than your subjective feelings.
The evidence for the efficacy of spells is in the tangible results, not in the physical sensations of raising power during ritual. That’s just a byproduct. The majority of the spells that I do involve things that I have no mundane control over, which means that it can’t be self prophecy. If it was something that I could control through mundane means, then I probably wouldn’t do the spell in the first place. Magic is always a last resort.

If you claimed to feel the presence of angels or demons, I would accept that you felt something. I would however need some further proof to verify that it was really an “angel” or “demon,” as opposed to an overactive imagination.
 
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