Do people go to Hell because God doesn't want them?

[stpurl]

Really, but how did the ‘collective human experience’ ever come up with establishing a ‘standard’ to begin with?

Think about it. Killing is wrong. We have a lot of ‘situations’ where we can come around and say, "Well, it’s all right if you’re defending yourself’, but killing is wrong is so engrained that, again, the only way people excuse themselves is to say that 'well it isn’t really ‘killing’ in this case.

But, for individuals or even societies, why WOULD killing start to be considered wrong? Look how today we are always finding ‘excuses’ to say something isn’t really killing --do you think we are so different from the world’s 'first humans"? Why would the world’s first humans, who might have found killing very necessary (limited food supplies, danger to small groups of people, etc), somehow come up with a idea that killing was wrong, instead of an idea that killing was something that should be ‘safe, legal, and rare’, an act that could be morally good, neutral, or wrong, 'depending on circumstances"?

 

[laylow]

But you’d have to accept others experience and adaptations as well to go with this method. That may mean accepting behaviours that conflict your own ideas of morality and that has never made for peaceful community relations.

This happens every day, for both the religious and the nonreligious alike.

 

[laylow]

I am agnostic, so yes, I believe that all morality that is used in societies is man-derived.

 

[laylow]

But, for individuals or even societies, why WOULD killing start to be considered wrong? Look how today we are always finding ‘excuses’ to say something isn’t really killing --do you think we are so different from the world’s 'first humans"?

Old testament God seemed to be in favor of killing in certain instances.

 

[stpurl]

You’re not answering the question.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

But you’d have to accept others experience and adaptations as well to go with this method. That may mean accepting behaviours that conflict your own ideas of morality and that has never made for peaceful community relations.

This happens every day, for both the religious and the nonreligious alike.

But we are accountable to an objective ideology in civil society still as far a acceptable morals. Rosejmj was questioning why should there be a consequence if we personally don’t think something is evil.

 

[laylow]

Really, but how did the ‘collective human experience’ ever come up with establishing a ‘standard’ to begin with?

Trial and error and having empathy for your fellow species. Many animal species exhibit this behavior.

 

[stpurl]

But so many of the behaviors that we consider as moral are not things which benefit the individual or society. How did those come about?

 

[laylow]

But we are accountable to an objective ideology in civil society still as far a acceptable morals. Rosejmj was questioning why should there be a consequence if we personally don’t think something is evil.

But that ideology is not truly objective, because it is subject to change based on new information. There can be consequences if your actions endanger the society.

 

[laylow]

But so many of the behaviors that we consider as moral are not things which benefit the individual or society. How did those come about?

Example?

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[stpurl]

Ok but tomorrow, I need sleep, tomorrow’s a workday.

 

[PatK63]

If they did not want to reject God it probable wasn’t a mortal sin.

 

[JanetF]

NO! People go to hell because THEY turn away from God. He never turns away from us!

 

[JanetF]

But still… When someone commits a grave sin they do not always want to reject God. Often it is because they are weak and they give into temptation even when they know it is wrong. I’m sure most adults have committed grave sins before but that doesn’t mean they don’t love God or that they don’t want to go to heaven

And they get themselves to confession in that case, plus GOD knows what’s in our hearts, hence Purgatory.

 

[awesomecatholic]

People do not go to hell because God doesn’t want them. Most of the time, people chose to reject God. Although, people who commit mortal sins are weak and just give into temptation, this does not mean they don’t love God and God takes their struggles into consideration.