Do people still follow Hinduism out of ignorance and cultural pressure?

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Good point. I guess there’s just so many followers of Hinduism number wise just because India is so populated…I myself have never heard of a conversion to Hinduism.
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Hi!!!
I’m a convert to Hinduism!

I’m a member of the Radhavallabh sampradaya, a Vaishnava tradition founded in Vrindavan by Mahaprabhu Hit Harivamsa Goswami in the 16th century.

My religious name is Nikunjaviharini dasa
 
Here are some famous Hindus. Some are born Hindu others have converted.

Christopher Isherwood - acclaimed American author (convert to Vedanta Society)

J.D. Salinger - author of the acclaimed and influential American novel The Catcher in the Rye

M. Night Shyamalan - acclaimed film director of thriller movies (The Sixth Sense; Unbreakable; Signs; The Village; etc.)

J. M. DeMatteis - popular and critically acclaimed comc book writer

Paramahansa Yogananda - yoga teacher influential in establishing yoga in America, founder of founder of the Self Realization Fellowship

John McLaughlin - prominent British guitarist (Sri Chinmoy)

Larry Coryell - prominent British guitarist (Sri Chinmoy)

Carlos Santana - prominent guitarist (Sri Chinmoy)

Sri Chinmoy - influential yoga teacher and founder of the Sri Chinmoy Meditation Centres

Ben Kingsley - Academy Award for title role in Gandhi (Kingsley’s father was Hindu)

Yash Aggarwal - earthquake scientist; unsuccessful Democratic candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from New York’s 20th District in 1996

Joe Misir - lawyer; unsuccessful Republican candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from New York’s 6th District in 1996

Hindus have the highest retention rate of any religion practiced in America.
 
And two more:

Erwin Schrodinger, physicist and creator of the thought experiment, “Schrodinger’s Cat”

George Harrison, of the Beatles
 
Here are some famous Hindus. Some are born Hindu others have converted.

Christopher Isherwood - acclaimed American author (convert to Vedanta Society)

J.D. Salinger - author of the acclaimed and influential American novel The Catcher in the Rye

M. Night Shyamalan - acclaimed film director of thriller movies (The Sixth Sense; Unbreakable; Signs; The Village; etc.)

J. M. DeMatteis - popular and critically acclaimed comc book writer

Paramahansa Yogananda - yoga teacher influential in establishing yoga in America, founder of founder of the Self Realization Fellowship

John McLaughlin - prominent British guitarist (Sri Chinmoy)

Larry Coryell - prominent British guitarist (Sri Chinmoy)

Carlos Santana - prominent guitarist (Sri Chinmoy)

Sri Chinmoy - influential yoga teacher and founder of the Sri Chinmoy Meditation Centres

Ben Kingsley - Academy Award for title role in Gandhi (Kingsley’s father was Hindu)

Yash Aggarwal - earthquake scientist; unsuccessful Democratic candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from New York’s 20th District in 1996

Joe Misir - lawyer; unsuccessful Republican candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from New York’s 6th District in 1996

Hindus have the highest retention rate of any religion practiced in America.
THANK YOU!!!

Why do people feel such a need to bash people who are different?

Just read Emmerson and Thoreau…they held the Bhagavad Gita in high esteem.

I doubt that people who say that the Gita isn’t scripture haven’t read it very thoughtfully if at all…

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Why do people feel such a need to bash people who are different?

Just read Emmerson and Thoreau…they held the Bhagavad Gita in high esteem.

I doubt that people who say that the Gita isn’t scripture haven’t read it very thoughtfully if at all…

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People who in ignorance make incorrect assumptions of others used to have an excuse that information to correct their opinions was not readily availble. This is hardly an excuse for those who have access to the Internet.

It took me less than a minute to locate this information. I just Googled “famous Hindu converts” and up popped the list.

adherents.com/adh_fam.html
 
People who in ignorance make incorrect assumptions of others used to have an excuse that information to correct their opinions was not readily availble. This is hardly an excuse for those who have access to the Internet.

It took me less than a minute to locate this information. I just Googled “famous Hindu converts” and up popped the list.

adherents.com/adh_fam.html
I know! How difficult is that? If one really cared to, one can visit many famous temples in Bharat via their websites and see for oneself. The internet is amazing!
 
This posting exhibits SUCH ignorance of Sanatana Dharma that it really isn’t worth a responce!

I haven’t read the rest of the posts…

But “Hinduism” is such a vast thing that one can’t make such sweeping generalizations as calling it “polytheistic.”

Once again - the arrogant west pushing its suposedly superior values on everyone else without actually know what they are talking about.

This gets very tiresome!!!

“Christos Anesti?”

Don’t EVEN get me started on the Orthodox Church!!!
If you’ll notice I commented later on how I started this thread before I took a course on Eastern Religions with a quarter long study of Hinduism after which my thought process toward it has changed. And I don’t think it’s arrogant that I sincerely began a thread for the intellectual discussion of what Hinduism is in relation the world or how it relates to Western ideas of religion. If anything, that has to count for some open mindedness…

One also cannot make sweeping generalizations about the “West” and say that it arrogantly attempts to push superior values on people, that’s not true and not fair.

For your information I’m not Orthodox, I’m a Roman Catholic. The words “Christos Anesti” mean just as much to me as any other Christian during the season of Easter regardless of language. I just happen to have an affinity for the traditions of the Eastern Churches which is why I’m using that.

Now that I’ve sufficiently explained myself I believe we can continue.:mad:
 
One also cannot make sweeping generalizations about the “West” and say that it arrogantly attempts to push superior values on people, that’s not true and not fair.
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Um…if you LOOK at history, it is EUROPE (ie the west) that colonised and subjugated the rest of the world, FREQUENTLY in the name of Christianity…such as Catholic Spain in Latin America…

The US continues to push its culture and values on the rest of the world, so that if any country wants to survive it has to adapt to the American (WESTERN/EUROPEAN/CHRISTIAN) way of doing things.

Are you blind?

If ANYTHING, the “cultural pressure” for the last 600 years or so has been from THE WEST (EUROPE AND THE US) not from India or China, to say NOTHING about poor Africa…but I believe China is begining to assert itself, too bad they are adapting the worst aspects of WESTEN culture…

You should take a historical perspective…
 
Whether or not all flavors of Hinduism can be called “polytheistic” is beside the point. Do cosmic truths hinge upon the number of adherents to any one belief? We should all agree, if we are honest and humble, that absolutely ANYTHING goes when it comes to the supernatural. One can just as easily wonder if cultural pressure led to the prominence of monotheistic religions.

The original Christians most likely believed in multiple gods, but they asserted that theirs was the ONE superior god. In other words, there were some sects that believed that their pantheon was superior to other sects’ singular or multiple gods.

Christians were taught that indeed there were many lesser gods. Psalms:82, Exodus 7:16 There is a paragraph in the New Testament that shows that even Christ thought that YHWA is only the god of the Jews and his own mission was restricted to the children of Israel. Mark:7 See also (Matthew 15:26) There are dozens of verses in the Old Testament that show YHWA was only the God of the Jews and that other nations had their own gods. Obviously these other gods compared to YHWA were the underdogs.

So when Christians talk of monotheism, many of them, who have read the bible, are just saying that their god is superior to all the other gods.

What I have stated above just gives background for me to speculate an answer to the original question: “Do people still follow Hinduism out of ignorance and cultural pressure?” And the subtext of the question: Why did “monotheism” dominate? It is certainly not ignorance. They were and are privy to the supernatural claims of all other religions. Religious proselytizers haven’t been slackers when it comes to apologetics “missions”. But yes, “cultural pressure” is how belief systems gain and maintain footholds. So we can reasonably speculate that “cultural pressure” i.e. political utility, and dominance of force led to the present-time dominance of monotheism. So, the “Abrahamic” religions were at “war” with each other to claim their god was the best, and eventually they drowned out the polytheists. This was in part due to the ability of men in search of power (i.e. governments) to more easily harness the forces of a population if they were not divided in their spiritual traditions. Having one god is much tidier and politically expedient.
 
Um…if you LOOK at history, it is EUROPE (ie the west) that colonised and subjugated the rest of the world, FREQUENTLY in the name of Christianity…such as Catholic Spain in Latin America…

The US continues to push its culture and values on the rest of the world, so that if any country wants to survive it has to adapt to the American (WESTERN/EUROPEAN/CHRISTIAN) way of doing things.

Are you blind?

If ANYTHING, the “cultural pressure” for the last 600 years or so has been from THE WEST (EUROPE AND THE US) not from India or China, to say NOTHING about poor Africa…but I believe China is begining to assert itself, too bad they are adapting the worst aspects of WESTEN culture…

You should take a historical perspective…
Please don’t shout at me. I was referring to the West in its current context in relation to the rest of the world. The United States cannot be used as a scapegoat because that is just one very unique part of the West and the rest of the West (primarily Europe and Central America) do not agree with things the United States does, even though we all fall under the title “Western”. I’m not saying my country is right in doing that, but even if it was that diverges from the original statement you made which I responded to that the West is “pushing its ‘superior’ values on everyone else”…which values? Religion? Pop Culture? Materialism? Please specify because I’m sure Chinese and Japanese approaches are radically different to American pop culture than religion.

That’s not very convincing to attempt to cite the Spanish Empire’s colonization of the Western Hemisphere in the name of Christianity (which they didn’t). That’s a foolish statement to make about colonization and imperialism. Common sense and definition will tell you that nations colonize to create a political and economic power base and as much as I admire the religious fervor of the Spanish, I can’t say that was Isabella’s intention when she asked Crisobal Colón to find a new trade route to India (ironically enough 😉 )
 
The original Christians most likely believed in multiple gods, but they asserted that theirs was the ONE superior god. In other words, there were some sects that believed that their pantheon was superior to other sects’ singular or multiple gods.

Christians were taught that indeed there were many lesser gods. Psalms:82, Exodus 7:16 There is a paragraph in the New Testament that shows that even Christ thought that YHWA is only the god of the Jews and his own mission was restricted to the children of Israel. Mark:7 See also (Matthew 15:26)
The Mission of God.
So when Christians talk of monotheism, many of them, who have read the bible, are just saying that their god is superior to all the other gods.
That is not the classic Christian position. You are ignoring the parallel philosophical developments in European and Indian thought to which I referred in my earlier post. Thoughtful people asked how the gods were related to ultimate reality. Classical Christian thought (such as that of the Church Fathers and the medieval scholastics) is one answer–that YHWH was in fact the One Ultimate Reality making Himself known to human beings in terms that we could understand. Plotinus in the West and Shankara in India (just to give two examples) came up with different answers.

Edwin
 
If we just stick with the Rig Vedas, perhaps one of the most famous verses is from Mandala 1, Hymn 164, Verse 46:

But, one might point out, Mandala 1 is considered by many scholars to be one of the later mandalas of the Rig Veda.

True, which is why I also refer to Mandala 6, Hymn 36, Verse 4:
The second quote sounds more like “king of the gods” language than what I’d think of as monotheism (I recognize that much of the OT uses similar language about YHWH–the main difference is that YHWH was a very upstart god to be claiming such a high title!). The first quote does indeed sound more like what I’m familiar with from the Upanishads, and I’m not surprised that it’s generally regarded as late (although I know that scholars can use speculative dating as a way of preserving their assumptions, and I’m wary of this!).

Edwin
 
I like these verses from the 10th canto of the Srimad Bagavtam

“Even those who have turned their attention away from you and are worshiping other deities, are actually worshipping You alone…”

“As rivers born from the mountains and filled by the rain flow from all sides into the sea, do all these paths in the end reach you o master”

“those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actuall worship only me, but they do so in a wrong way. I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recogonize My true transcedental nature fall down. Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; and those who worship Me will live with Me.”
 
I like these verses from the 10th canto of the Srimad Bagavtam

“Even those who have turned their attention away from you and are worshiping other deities, are actually worshipping You alone…”

“As rivers born from the mountains and filled by the rain flow from all sides into the sea, do all these paths in the end reach you o master”

“those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actuall worship only me, but they do so in a wrong way. I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recogonize My true transcedental nature fall down. Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; and those who worship Me will live with Me.”
Neat how consolidation of power and influence works isn’t it? Seems completely natural that primitive peoples (god makers) would eventually, when populations reached a critical mass, posit that their god was actually being worshiped by those OTHER people even though they didn’t know it. It is a no-brainer. That is exactly what a monotheist would logically say in support of his god. This in no way proves that there are not multiple or zero gods. Just as technology (boats, weapons) helped centralize power and encourage homogeneity and hegemony, it also increased the stature and apparent power of the god that was worshiped by a given civilization. So eventually, peoples who originally believed in or worshiped many gods, came to see ONE as the most powerful and eventually (to justify colonization and empire) came to see the ONE as the only ONE.
 
According to Hindus, Hinduism is VERY monotheistic, as in all believe in a single Supreme God. I can’t seem to find anything like that in the Bible, as in, the idolators in the Bible. Except for the idea that polytheists have a vague notion of One god over all, i can’t see how the polytheists in the Bible can be used to see Hinduism. It is so much more sophisticated.

It would be stupid to worship a piece of stone, but i have heard that there is not a SINGLE HINDU in the world who worships idols and thinks they are gods.

Ofcourse, isn’t hard to get Protestants to believe that you Catholics don’t worship saints and statues?
 
According to Hindus, Hinduism is VERY monotheistic, as in all believe in a single Supreme God.
What Hindus told you that? If you talk to one who devoutly practices their faith you will find that there are too many gods to remember. Obviously, some are more important than others, Ganesh is prayed to before all others at temple… all of them are viewed as individual gods.
It would be stupid to worship a piece of stone, but i have heard that there is not a SINGLE HINDU in the world who worships idols and thinks they are gods.
Hindus acknowledge the presence of the god in the idols, or photos, or whatever other depictions of god. They bathe their idols, feed them (present food to them), etc. They (from my understanding) believe that the idols actually eat the food, afterall, it would be stupid to try to feed something that you know to be an inanimate object, right?
Of course, isn’t hard to get Protestants to believe that you Catholics don’t worship saints and statues.
Not really, I have found that all they need is a little explaination. If you never explain something (properly) to a person, you can’t expect them to understand it. We all experience ignorance at one point or another :D.
 
What Hindus told you that? If you talk to one who devoutly practices their faith you will find that there are too many gods to remember. Obviously, some are more important than others, Ganesh is prayed to before all others at temple… all of them are viewed as individual gods.

Hindus acknowledge the presence of the god in the idols, or photos, or whatever other depictions of god. They bathe their idols, feed them (present food to them), etc. They (from my understanding) believe that the idols actually eat the food, afterall, it would be stupid to try to feed something that you know to be an inanimate object, right?

Not really, I have found that all they need is a little explaination. If you never explain something (properly) to a person, you can’t expect them to understand it. We all experience ignorance at one point or another :D.
I have never found any evidence that Hindus are not monotheistic, and all the gods, more than anyone can remember, doesn’t change that at all. Specifically, himalayanacadamy.com you will have a strong monotheism. Ofcourse, it is hard to call it monotheism, but it is important that it is NOT polytheism either, so some westerners faced with this coined a new word just for the Indian religion, henotheism.

And of course idols don’t eat the food (except for the many many miracles) and the gods are greater than an inanimate matter.

The Protestent thing was just an example. Catholics know they don’t think the statues are the saints, that the saints are capable of vision of you and your prayers and being in some way Present. I mean God is everywhere right, and they are with him, so there is no problem. Hindus believe gods are that powerful as well, and they seek the gods presence, his vision. It is not as simple as the anti-idol people in the Bible make it out to be.

Also their is definate “monotheism” in taking one god and worshiping them as supreme. Siva here, Krishna there. That is not so significant in that it doesn’t divide Hindus. They take that as a good point, that they are univeral and many sided and cosmopolitan, and all that. Not exclusive or narrow or whatever.

Anyway, himalayanacadamy.com is a good source, if it can be seen to be pretty consistant with other stuff that can be found. That is why I would call Hinduism strongly monotheistic
 
If it is monotheistic religion then what is the reason for having so many idols, and actually praying to each as an individual?
 
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