Do priests carry credentials? Should they?

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It seems that a some Christian ministers prefer to wear the traditional Roman collar in public.

To many Catholics, the Roman clerical collar is recognized as a distinctive symbol of the ordained Catholic priesthood.

Unless he is known personally, how can one be sure that someone suited-up as a “priest” is a genuine Catholic priest with valid and legitimate Sacramental authority?
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All you can do is ask.

I’m appalled that each diocese does not issue ID cards to show that a priest has faculties/jurisdiction in the diocese.
 
The Archdiocese of Chicago even issues photo ID’s for their deacons. Without it, many hospitals now will not allow the clergy into to visit patients.
 
All you can do is ask.
And you want to be specific, too–If you just say, “are you a Catholic priest?” some Anglicans/Episcopalians would say “yes,” meaning to tell the truth, but having a different understanding of “Catholic.”

–Jen
 
You can ask if they are a priest and where they are incardinated.
 
If you run into a man in a collar and just kind of wonder about him, just ask him. If you really need to know, though, ask the parish or the chancery office.
 
Remember that the Roman Catholic Church does not now and never did have a copyright or paten on the so called clerical collar.

It was originally invented by Anglicans.

Actually, the collar itself was typical of all gentlemen in learned professions once upon a time. What made it specficially “clerical” was the vest worn with it, which was designed to look like the front of a cassock.

It had a wide opening if the wearer was Anglican, and a narrower step if he was Roman Catholic.
 
Remember that the Roman Catholic Church does not now and never did have a copyright or paten on the so called clerical collar.

It was originally invented by Anglicans.

Actually, the collar itself was typical of all gentlemen in learned professions once upon a time. What made it specficially “clerical” was the vest worn with it, which was designed to look like the front of a cassock.

It had a wide opening if the wearer was Anglican, and a narrower step if he was Roman Catholic.
It is not only priests who wear the Roman Collar in the Catholic Church.

Deacons as well as religious brothers and seminarians all may wear the Roman Collar if their superiors allow for it.

Personally I wear my habit when ever I am ministering or working for the order, or attending Mass (or Divine Liturgy) in public. But I only have one habit, when it is dirty and I have not yet had time to wash it, I wear the clerics.
 
I’d imagine that the assumption is that in a diocese all the Priests know each other. But, I believe that if a Priest travels to another Diocese he is to carry a letter from his Bishop attesting to his priesthood (e.g., for when he wants to say Mass at a Parish in distant land).
 
Beyond appearances:

Someone claims to be a Catholic priest. He’s alone, with nobody to vouch for him. Does his diocese, religious order - or even the Vatican - provide him with a standardized form of identification to help establish that he is who he says he is?

Beyond that:

Even if he can prove that he is an ordained Catholic priest. How does one know if he is in full communion with the Church? Does every Catholic priest have standing authority to administer all seven Sacraments, anytime, anywhere in the world? Are there limits?

This form is awash in discussions of who or what is legitimate/illegitimate, licit/illicit, has faculties or not, in schism or not, excommunicated or not, etc…

Many professions issue some form of photo ID to those who work closely with the public. Around here, every police officer, rescue paramedic, cable TV installer and media photographer has a credential that lets us know who he is and why we should allow him access into some part of our lives.

With the potential for abuses - on any number of levels - is it reasonable to expect the Church to step up it’s program in this regard? Would anyone want to risk the possibility of a SSPX priests offering OF masses?

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Beyond appearances:

Someone claims to be a Catholic priest. He’s alone, with nobody to vouch for him. Does his diocese, religious order - or even the Vatican - provide him with a standardized form of identification to help establish that he is who he says he is?

Beyond that:

Even if he can prove that he is an ordained Catholic priest. How does one know if he is in full communion with the Church? Does every Catholic priest have standing authority to administer all seven Sacraments, anytime, anywhere in the world? Are there limits?

This form is awash in discussions of who or what is legitimate/illegitimate, licit/illicit, has faculties or not, in schism or not, excommunicated or not, etc…

Many professions issue some form of photo ID to those who work closely with the public. Around here, every police officer, rescue paramedic, cable TV installer and media photographer has a credential that lets us know who he is and why we should allow him access into some part of our lives.

With the potential for abuses - on any number of levels - is it reasonable to expect the Church to step up it’s program in this regard? Would anyone want to risk the possibility of a SSPX priests offering OF masses?

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The Priest’s Bishop or Superior will write a letter of testimony to the Priest’s priesthood and faculties for being a minister of the Sacraments.
 
Would anyone want to risk the possibility of a SSPX priests offering OF masses?

I don’t think that’s something we need to worry about.

And, contrary to what some people think, the Vatican doesn’t micro-manage everything, so i really doubt there would be a standard clerical ID card from Rome.
 
I’d imagine that the assumption is that in a diocese all the Priests know each other. But, I believe that if a Priest travels to another Diocese he is to carry a letter from his Bishop attesting to his priesthood (e.g., for when he wants to say Mass at a Parish in distant land).
There are very few dioceses nowadays where the celebret is required. Usually it’s upto the discretion of the rector, and especially for “private” Masses, they usually won’t ask to see one. In my former area, it was required by the bishop but that was only because of the delicate situation there.
 
Even if he can prove that he is an ordained Catholic priest. How does one know if he is in full communion with the Church? Does every Catholic priest have standing authority to administer all seven Sacraments, anytime, anywhere in the world? Are there limits?
The sacrament of (1) Baptism can be validly administered by even non-Christians if they intend to do what Baptism does and use the correct form and matter. (This is only licit if there is a danger of death, I believe, but would be valid regardless.)

The ordinary minister of the sacraments of (2) Confirmation, (3) Penance, and (4) Holy Orders is a bishop, not a priest, so one should probably assume that an unknown priest would NOT have the faculty to perform those sacraments. (It is true that most priests have received from their bishops the faculty to hear confession, but I don’t know how that works if they are not in their own diocese.)

(5) Matrimony is tricky, since technically the parties to be married administer the sacrament to each other. But the priest is a required witness. Again, I’m not sure whether or not a priest would be a valid witness outside his own diocese without special permission. Maybe so, maybe not–I just don’t know. However, since you are required to go through lengthy pre-cana training before being married, I can’t see how that would ever be happening with some priest whose status you didn’t know.

My understanding for the the (6) Eucharist and the (7) Annointing of the Sick is that if you are talking about a non-laicized priest who is not under sentence of excommunication, yes he could validly administer these sacraments, any time, anywhere in the world. That is not to to say it would always be licit.

But the question of validity is what really concerns a person encountering an unknown priest. (Just in case anyone is wondering, a valid sacrament is one that “worked” e.g. the priest said Mass, and and transubstantiation really took place. A licit sacrament is one that is according to all of the rules of the church. If a priest didn’t have permission to say Mass somewhere and he said it anyway, the burden of sin would be on the priest himself, not on the others who attended Mass, and the consecration of the host would have been valid but not licit. All sacraments that are licit are also valid, but not vice versa.)

Now when you are talking about being “in full communion with the Church” you either mean “not excommunicated” or you mean “agreeing with all of the teachings of the Church.” In either case, how would an ID help you to know that? I mean, unless the thing expires on a weekly basis or something there would always be a margin of error. And how would priests in, say, central Africa deal with an ID that expired even anually? And a worldwide system of photo IDs for hundreds of thousands of people would be exceedingly expensive. Would that be the best use of the money?

As for the second case above (“not agreeing with all of the teachings of the Church”), that only matters to the priest’s soul. it doesn’t affect the validity of any sacraments he may administer.

I think any doubtful cases could be left to God’s love and mercy. I do understand what prompts the question about the IDs, but on consideration I am not convinced it would be a benefit.
Would anyone want to risk the possibility of a SSPX priests offering OF masses?
Chance would be a fine thing, since one of the points of SSPX is that they don’t believe the OF is valid. 😉

–Jen
 
(5) Matrimony is tricky, since technically the parties to be married administer the sacrament to each other. But the priest is a required witness. Again, I’m not sure whether or not a priest would be a valid witness outside his own diocese without special permission. Maybe so, maybe not–I just don’t know. However, since you are required to go through lengthy pre-cana training before being married, I can’t see how that would ever be happening with some priest whose status you didn’t know.
I’ve seen my pastor go to another province to celebrate the wedding of his niece. No problem arose with the Church but it was a mess with the government because nobody bothered to contact the bishop who would have had to apply to the gov’t for him to be licensed to perform the wedding.
 
Normally, priests are issued a celebret on the diocesan level, which these days usually takes the form of a photo-id. Similar in its way to a driver’s license, it does expire and has to be renewed by the Chancery.

A friend of mine was visiting Florence a few years back and wanted to offer Mass: the sacristan asked to see his celebret and he was then escorted to the the sacristy to vest.
 
FYI, bishops and priests are the ministers of the sacrament of penance, the only ones capable of absolution. Even though we may not think of it much, bishops themselves need faculties to hear confessions, depending on what their position/station is.

Joe
 
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