Do protestants believe Catholics can't go to heaven?

[dnu]

In other words you made a silly and baseless charge that you can not substantiate. Got it.

Nope, not baseless, just pay attention on Sunday, you’ll see it with your own eyes if you pay attention.

Like you, I used to be like this once at Protestant Churches —>

Then I started paying attention and I was like—>:bigyikes:

Then I started being like this---->

Now I’m like this---->

 

[JonNC]

Just attend your local Protestant service this coming Sunday and listen to how they personify an inanimate object (the Christian library) and elevate it to status of infallible authority. I don’t have to substantiate it for you, your pastors sermon can do it for me

Name the last time you heard a protestant sermon of any type.
Below is a link to the Lutheran Divine Service liturgy. Here is your chance to substantiate your ridiculous charge.

lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=15582

Jon

 

[AmateurPianist]

Nope, not baseless, just pay attention on Sunday, you’ll see it with your own eyes if you pay attention.

Like you, I used to be like this once at Protestant Churches —>

Then I started paying attention and I was like—>:bigyikes:

Then I started being like this---->

Now I’m like this---->

I too will help you out.

Here is sermons back to 2007 online from our church. Have at it.

 

[activeCatholic]

Something I always wondered. I know the catechism teaches that even those who wholeheartedly follow Christ in a non-Catholic church can be saved, but I was wondering what sort of opinion protestants held in the other direction.

Some believe that we Catholics are not saved and some do. I use to believe Catholics were not in my ignorance as a Protestant

 

[takers]

Nope, not baseless, just pay attention on Sunday, you’ll see it with your own eyes if you pay attention.

Like you, I used to be like this once at Protestant Churches —>

Then I started paying attention and I was like—>:bigyikes:

Then I started being like this---->

Now I’m like this---->

Looking purely at the smileys, this made me grin. Great use of the visuals to make your point. Not sure I agree, but still enjoying the way you ‘wrote’ your response.

 

[dnu]

The last time I attended a Protestant sect was about a year and a half ago. After finally coming to the realization of how un-biblical, un-historical, and just generally false Protestantism is, I left Christianity altogether and became a staunch anti-Christian agnostic for several months. Through Gods grace, I was able to “discover” the Holy Catholic Church (it had never went anywhere, I was just led by phony Protestant ministers to think it was wrong), which is the only Church established by Jesus. Through much studying of history, I was led back to the Christian religion and am now home where Jesus intends all of us to be.

To quote the late Cardinal John Henry Newman, “To study history is to no longer be Protestant.”

Thank you two for offering your Churches sermons, I no longer listen to Protestant fodder any more though.

 

[shondrea]

yeah, even I, a Catholic, have to say…that Protestants elevate the Bible to an idol is pretty far fetched. I don’t buy it.

DNU, I know you are very fervent in your love for our church, but you DO sound rather uncharitable

 

[JonNC]

The last time I attended a Protestant sect was about a year and a half ago. After finally coming to the realization of how un-biblical, un-historical, and just generally false Protestantism is, I left Christianity altogether and became a staunch anti-Christian agnostic for several months. Through Gods grace, I was able to “discover” the Holy Catholic Church (it had never went anywhere, I was just led by phony Protestant ministers to think it was wrong), which is the only Church established by Jesus. Through much studying of history, I was led back to the Christian religion and am now home where Jesus intends all of us to be.

To quote the late Cardinal John Henry Newman, “To study history is to no longer be Protestant.”

Thank you two for offering your Churches sermons, I no longer listen to Protestant fodder any more though.

I suspect Cardinal Newman would never have used the bile against is brothers and sisters in Christ that you do. I’m thrilled you have found a home in the Catholic Church. Hopefully the day will come when you find her charity, as well.

Jon

 

[AmateurPianist]

The last time I attended a Protestant sect was about a year and a half ago. After finally coming to the realization of how pathetic and false Protestantism is, I left Christianity altogether and became a staunch anti-Christian agnostic for several months. Through Gods grace, I was able to “discover” the Holy Catholic Church (it had never went anywhere, I was just led by phony Protestant ministers to think it was wrong), which is the only Church established by Jesus. Through much studying of history, I was led back to the Christian religion and am now home where Jesus intends all of us to be.

To quote the late Cardinal John Henry Newman, “To study history is to no longer be Protestant.”

Thank you two for offering your Churches sermons, I no longer listen to Protestant heresy (yes, that objective title applys to all Protestants) though.

This is just hilarious.

You make an altogether asinine and ridiculous statement. You are provided the links to back your silliness up. And you refuse to do so.

And that is because you can’t of course.

And you know you can’t. But you are too proud to admit that you are wrong. So you just change the subject.

This is altogether priceless.

Good thing I don’t believe you accurately represent Catholicism. Instead I just think you are one of the amateur nut jobs that come here that think they are defending the faith but instead make your faith look absurd.

But I will overlook that. I will take Mother Theresa and Pope JP II as accurate representatives of your faith and you as just an amateur nut job.

Priceless.

 

[JonNC]

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Thank you two for offering your Churches sermons, I no longer listen to Protestant fodder any more though.

Back in March Pope Benedict XVI visited a Lutheran Church in Rome, and listened to a Lutheran pastor’s sermon. Guess he doesn’t take the same view as you.

Jon

 

[choy]

Something I always wondered. I know the catechism teaches that even those who wholeheartedly follow Christ in a non-Catholic church can be saved, but I was wondering what sort of opinion protestants held in the other direction.

not to generalize, but a lot of protestant sects i come across views the Catholic Church as an evil, misguided organization. some believe that at one point the Catholic Church was true, and at some point was infiltrated by the devil. some sects believe that converting Catholics is actually saving them from a misguided Church

so i would say for those who hold this belief, Catholics won’t go to heaven

 

[shondrea]

C-can’t we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya now?

 

[tsering]

C-can’t we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya now?

Do Catholics sing that song?

 

[lil_flower_luv]

Back in March Pope Benedict XVI visited a Lutheran Church in Rome, and listened to a Lutheran pastor’s sermon. Guess he doesn’t take the same view as you.

Jon

Hi Jon-- I’m going to think best of dnu and say that maybe he/she felt as if they needed to remove themselves from taking in anything contrary to Catholic teaching. A lot of us do that, no matter the religion. It helps us stay grounded in who we are as a people of God. We must always be charitable in how we represent ourselves, however. :yup:

The pope and many other Catholics will gladly listen to other faiths, welcoming anyone, and looking at everything with a Catholic perspective.

 

[nhylan]

This is a really sad thread, its devolved into accusations and false info. I would hope that we would all love one another as Christ loved us.

 

[shondrea]

Do Catholics sing that song?

If we’re not suppose to, then I’m in a lot of trouble XD

 

[tsering]

Most Protestant groups (i.e. the majority) elevate the bible up to the status of demi-god and, even though they are committing biblical idolatry, tend to think Catholics are the ones in trouble. The joke is on them

Even though I don’t agree with your conclusion or your tone, I would add that you bring up a good point:

Protestants…imagine how offended you feel at this statement?

Now imagine how offended Catholics are when a Protestant says they worship idols, or they worship a creature…namely Mary.

Certainly, Protestants hold the Bible in very special honor…for in it is the words of God right? Without it we wouldn’t have all those wonderful stories and God’s very own words. Or the story of His Son.

Catholics hold Mary in very special honor…for God choose her to carry His Son who is our salvation. She submitted herself in perfect obedience to God’s will and this gave us Jesus.

Is the Psalmist worshiping the Law when he wrote Psalm 119? Were the Levites worshiping the ark and the tabernacle when they moved it with special care and honor? Was Solomon worshiping wisdom in Proverbs? Or was he worshiping his lover in Song of Songs? What about when the Israelites asked Moses to intercede for them? Was that worship? When they encased it all gold…was that worship?

Do Protestants worship the preacher? It might seem so to a Catholic who is used to seeing the pulpit over to the side of the altar, and not in center. Or when protestant ministers spend more time preaching a fancy sermon (which by the way involves a lot of private interpretation), than they do handing out graces and leading in prayer.

This discussion should give us pause to seriously consider our prejudices and how grounded they really are.

 

[tsering]

Oh really!

Please substantiate this.

You can do this by providing links to major Protestant groups and their statements of faith that prove they elevate the Bible to the status of a demi-god and this are commitikng Biblical idolatry.

Of course you can not do this. You are just blowing hot air.

So this is just one more in a line of really stupid and bigoted statements about Protestants that I have read during my time here. Makes me really want to join the “one true church” considering how well you present your faith here doesn’t it.

AmateurPianist,

I understand your frustration. As I was engaged to my now wife, one of my friends…an Assembly of God as yourself told me he believed that you had to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and that meant you spoke in tongues…to be saved. Don’t worry though, I was led to Jesus in a pentecostal church and know this is not the opinion of most. On the other hand, I have sensed a general “looking down” upon those who have not been baptized in the Holy Spirit yet (meaning not speaking in tongues). People were concerned that I was going to marry a non-tongue speaker (not baptized in the Holy Spirit) or as they put it…unequally yoked.

Back to the point of this discussion though, I know many fundamentalists or conservatives who accuse the Assemblies of idolatry by elevating tongues or private interpretation (i.e. prophecy) to a status it shouldn’t be in. And yes, I’ve heard some Pentecostals and charismatics who accuse fundies of worshiping the Bible by not allowing the Spirit to speak.

The point, these accusations go back and forth. I know this is a hard conversation, but I like it, because it’s like a furnace bringing the dross to the surface so we scrape it away.

By the way, what does your Church think? Are Catholics going to heaven? Are they saved?

 

[AmateurPianist]

By the way, what does your Church think? Are Catholics going to heaven? Are they saved?

Good question.

I have never heard anything against Catholics in the thirteen years I have attended my church.

Now my church does not believe that by belonging to one organization or another that you can gain eternal life. Eternal life is through Jesus Christ.

But neither have I heard anything that indicates those who align themselves with the Catholic organization do not have eternal life based on their particular organization.

I get the impression from my pastor that he assumes that serious Catholics who practice their Catholic faith are his brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. I have not heard anything that indicates otherwise.

 

[JonNC]

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Protestants…imagine how offended you feel at this statement?

**Now imagine how offended Catholics are when a Protestant says they worship idols, or they worship a creature…namely Mary. **
Certainly, Protestants hold the Bible in very special honor…for in it is the words of God right? Without it we wouldn’t have all those wonderful stories and God’s very own words. Or the story of His Son.

Catholics hold Mary in very special honor…for God choose her to carry His Son who is our salvation. She submitted herself in perfect obedience to God’s will and this gave us Jesus.

tsering,
You make an excellent point here, that all non-catholic Christians should note. Marian devotion is not idolatry, and to say so is either from ignorance and lack of charity. There is no greater example to Christians of faith and obedience than the Blessed Mother, and in many ways, we would to well to emulate Catholic love for her.

Is the Psalmist worshiping the Law when he wrote Psalm 119? Were the Levites worshiping the ark and the tabernacle when they moved it with special care and honor? Was Solomon worshiping wisdom in Proverbs? Or was he worshiping his lover in Song of Songs? What about when the Israelites asked Moses to intercede for them? Was that worship? When they encased it all gold…was that worship?

Do Protestants worship the preacher? It might seem so to a Catholic who is used to seeing the pulpit over to the side of the altar, and not in center. Or when protestant ministers spend more time preaching a fancy sermon (which by the way involves a lot of private interpretation), than they do handing out graces and leading in prayer.

The problem with this perseption is that it represents the broad brush, as it includes liturgical and sacramental churches whose members would find these practices as foreign as Catholics do.
The more we understand each others’ practices and piety, the easier it is to see the Holy Spirit working in each other.

This discussion should give us pause to seriously consider our prejudices and how grounded they really are.

I agree.

Jon