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Yeah I have gotten this impression from some. Between you me and the fencepost this mindset is one reason why I am not quite there yet concerning some aspects of the Pentecostal message. While I most certainly am not a cessationalist, I am not yet convinced that all should speak in tongues…and while I do believe the filling of the Holy Spirit is for all…I am not convinced that it necessarily has to have a certain form. Yeah I know to some this is heresy,
The common link in all of this of course is trying to remove the speck from your brother’s organization while failing to see the log in your own organization.
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tsering
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Sorry, you’re right. It is very difficult to say “Protestant” because that term covers so many denominations and branches of thought. My bad.
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lil_flower_luv
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You did not lack any charity.
Your posts always emulate Christ-like charity and I thank you for that.
And that is a great Luther quote:thumbsup:
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mo2169
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Rom 12:10 Be kind to one another with a brother’s love, putting others before yourselves in honour;
Joh 15:12 This is the law I give you: Have love one for another, even as I have love for you.
2Co 13:11 Let this be my last word, brothers; be glad; be complete; be comforted; be of the same mind; be at peace with one another: and the God of love and peace will be with you.
Gal 5:13 Because you, brothers, were marked out to be free; only do not make use of your free condition to give the flesh its chance, but through love be servants one to another.
Eph 4:2 With all gentle and quiet behavior, taking whatever comes, putting up with one another in love;
1Pe 4:8 And most of all be warm in your love for one another; because in love there is forgiveness for sins without number:
1Jn 4:7 My loved ones, let us have love for one another: because love is of God, and everyone who has love is a child of God and has knowledge of God.
Luk 14:11 For every man who gives himself a high place will be put down, but he who takes a low place will be lifted up.
Luk 14:12 And he said to the master of the house, When you give a feast, do not send for your friends and your brothers and your family or your neighbours who have wealth, for they may give a feast for you, and so you will get a reward.
Luk 14:13 But when you give a feast, send for the poor and the blind and those who are broken in body:
Luk 14:14 And you will have a blessing, because they will not be able to give you any payment, and you will get your reward when the upright come back from the dead.
Luk 14:15 And, hearing these words, one of those who were at table with him said to him, Happy is the man who will be a guest in the kingdom of God.
How else will I follow Jesus’ Divine teachings?
My feeling is that if you Love Jesus (or want to), you learn from His teachings.
You dedicate as much time and energy as you can into doing everything He told you to do. You become an obedient son/daughter. You then Love him as He Loves you. You pass that onto others - no matter who they are.
Once you learn His teachings, He knows you’ve learned them - He knows your heart.
I recommend everyone concentrating on having a relationship with Jesus not only through the Sacraments but also by learning His Word.
Let’s all Love Jesus - Catholics and Protestants…We are on the same winning team…
May Jesus open all your hearts and minds with Love and Acceptance for one another.
Marcus.
Joh 15:12 This is the law I give you: Have love one for another, even as I have love for you.
2Co 13:11 Let this be my last word, brothers; be glad; be complete; be comforted; be of the same mind; be at peace with one another: and the God of love and peace will be with you.
Gal 5:13 Because you, brothers, were marked out to be free; only do not make use of your free condition to give the flesh its chance, but through love be servants one to another.
Eph 4:2 With all gentle and quiet behavior, taking whatever comes, putting up with one another in love;
1Pe 4:8 And most of all be warm in your love for one another; because in love there is forgiveness for sins without number:
1Jn 4:7 My loved ones, let us have love for one another: because love is of God, and everyone who has love is a child of God and has knowledge of God.
Luk 14:11 For every man who gives himself a high place will be put down, but he who takes a low place will be lifted up.
Luk 14:12 And he said to the master of the house, When you give a feast, do not send for your friends and your brothers and your family or your neighbours who have wealth, for they may give a feast for you, and so you will get a reward.
Luk 14:13 But when you give a feast, send for the poor and the blind and those who are broken in body:
Luk 14:14 And you will have a blessing, because they will not be able to give you any payment, and you will get your reward when the upright come back from the dead.
Luk 14:15 And, hearing these words, one of those who were at table with him said to him, Happy is the man who will be a guest in the kingdom of God.
1Jn 4:11 My loved ones, if God had such love for us, it is right for us to have love for one another.
I believe that the Bible is equally important as all the Sacraments in the CC.How else will I follow Jesus’ Divine teachings?
My feeling is that if you Love Jesus (or want to), you learn from His teachings.
You dedicate as much time and energy as you can into doing everything He told you to do. You become an obedient son/daughter. You then Love him as He Loves you. You pass that onto others - no matter who they are.
Once you learn His teachings, He knows you’ve learned them - He knows your heart.
I recommend everyone concentrating on having a relationship with Jesus not only through the Sacraments but also by learning His Word.
Let’s all Love Jesus - Catholics and Protestants…We are on the same winning team…
May Jesus open all your hearts and minds with Love and Acceptance for one another.
Marcus.
You made such a good statement, I didn’t mean mine to be critical, but instead to demonstrate how important it is for all of us to understand each other’s practices, even if we disagree with them.
There was a recent thread, “Do you sing hymns to Mary”, or something to that effect. My response was that doing so simply isn’t a part of Lutheran practice and piety. Recognizing the difference between dulia and latria means understanding the Catholic practice in its proper light as not idolatry. Respect for our differences in piety can lead us to a closer reltaionship. In the same way, while you and I might not recognize or be comfortable with evangelical styles of worship, understanding it helps us at least be charitable.
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Bill_Pick
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Some Cthloics will e in heaven ,and some will not ,some baptist will be in heaven and some will not only Jesus Christ will know who is saved
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gcnuss
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I may be a bit presumptuous, but I look forward to gathering around the heavenly throne with my Catholic brothers and sisters, praising God and enjoying a unity which we have not experienced here on earth.
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Loboto-Me
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AMEN!
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choy
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good for you!
i don’t attend protestant services but the one time i accidentally did…
okay, here’s how it started. i got invited to a Filipino community dinner within a non-denom church. okay, so i know they were protestants, but my friend invited me to a dinner and i wouldn’t refuse free food. besides, i know i’m attending dinner, not a service or worship or whatever. turns out, the dinner was in honor of this Pentecostal minister/missionary who was in the Philippines for decades. okay, fine. i still was there to enjoy the company of my non-Catholic Christian friends with some Filipino dishes. eventually the dinner ended and everyone moved up to the area where they usually have their service. i went up just to see but i know i wouldn’t be staying long. the missionary/minister was telling his story why he chose to go to the Philippines and his experience there (he’s American) so i stayed a while to listen to his story. at some point of his story he was telling of this truck driver who delivered food (rice to be exact) and then he asked the truck driver to stay for lunch. he asked the truck driver what religion he was, and he said he was Catholic. and then he said he asked the truck driver if he knew Jesus, and the usual TV evangelist lines and the end of that bit is he converted the Catholic truck driver into Pentecostal and everyone had their hands in the air saying Alleluia and Praise the Lord, as if they’ve converted a Satan-worshiper into Christianity. oh, plus the fact that he mocked Catholics for honoring Mary somewhere in that bit.
also, i realized why my friend kept inviting me to these socials. its their way for immigrants like myself to find new friends of the same racial background, but within their church. so they can lure me in. i know she was subtly trying to convert me. funny though is that i’ve been open to her about my faith while respecting bounderies. when she’s feeling down i’ll send her passages from the Bible to cheer her up because i know it means a lot to her. showing that i have a firm faith in Christ, i wonder why does she think i need to be converted?
one more thing, the minister/missionary was pentecostal, their church was non-denom, and there was another group there from a Filipino-founded Evangelical group called Jesus is Lord or JIL. funny how 3 differect sects with differing beliefs can come together with the only unifying belief they have is that the Catholics are wrong.
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MelanieAnne
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I suspect we also need to differentiate between the doctrines of various Protestant sects and the intemperate (and possibly inaccurate) remarks of their members.
I have attended the services with family members (Protestants) where the Pastor declared that anyone who believed differently from the way they believed would go to hell. But as part of this declaration we never really got a good explanation of what believing “differently” was so it is quite likely that many of the people in attendance went away with their own decision of what that meant. As for me, I have no idea what that Pastor meant.
I have heard Protestants describe Catholics as both “non-Christian” and even “Pagan”. Now, is that description their own personal opinion? or does it represent the opinion of their entire faith? I have no idea.
So I think we have to be careful before we draw conclusions. If a particular Protestant faith categorically states something as a matter of doctrine, that’s one thing. If a particular person, who happens to be a member of some Protestant faith, has a certain opinion about Catholics, that’s something else.
As for me, I know that we Catholics belong to the Faith founded by Jesus Christ. Works for me!
I have attended the services with family members (Protestants) where the Pastor declared that anyone who believed differently from the way they believed would go to hell. But as part of this declaration we never really got a good explanation of what believing “differently” was so it is quite likely that many of the people in attendance went away with their own decision of what that meant. As for me, I have no idea what that Pastor meant.
I have heard Protestants describe Catholics as both “non-Christian” and even “Pagan”. Now, is that description their own personal opinion? or does it represent the opinion of their entire faith? I have no idea.
So I think we have to be careful before we draw conclusions. If a particular Protestant faith categorically states something as a matter of doctrine, that’s one thing. If a particular person, who happens to be a member of some Protestant faith, has a certain opinion about Catholics, that’s something else.
As for me, I know that we Catholics belong to the Faith founded by Jesus Christ. Works for me!
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shondrea
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best. Post. Ever.
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Roy5
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There are bigoted and narrow-minded Christians of all sorts. Catholics. Protestants. Orthodox. But most people I know - mostly open-minded and big-hearted Catholics and Protestants - believe that God doesn’t judge based on church affililiation or doctrine. God checks the heart.
Perhaps a bigger issue among some of my friends is this: does a heaven exist? Many are unsure about an afterlife. Even many who believe in an afterlife are skeptical when it comes to purgatory, hell, angels, judgement, and all the usual accoutements that traditional Christianity has tended to preach and embrace. I'm inclined to confess enormous ignorance myself when it comes to heaven. It can sound boring if we sit around all day singing hymns and adoring the Trinity.
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choy
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nice postI suspect we also need to differentiate between the doctrines of various Protestant sects and the intemperate (and possibly inaccurate) remarks of their members.
I have attended the services with family members (Protestants) where the Pastor declared that anyone who believed differently from the way they believed would go to hell. But as part of this declaration we never really got a good explanation of what believing “differently” was so it is quite likely that many of the people in attendance went away with their own decision of what that meant. As for me, I have no idea what that Pastor meant.
I have heard Protestants describe Catholics as both “non-Christian” and even “Pagan”. Now, is that description their own personal opinion? or does it represent the opinion of their entire faith? I have no idea.
So I think we have to be careful before we draw conclusions. If a particular Protestant faith categorically states something as a matter of doctrine, that’s one thing. If a particular person, who happens to be a member of some Protestant faith, has a certain opinion about Catholics, that’s something else.
As for me, I know that we Catholics belong to the Faith founded by Jesus Christ. Works for me!
problem with most protestants nowadays is they don’t have a clear cut doctrine. especially the non-denoms, pentecostals, evangelicals, and those who belong to that lot. each minister/pastor has his or her own opinion on what the bible is saying, thus each congregation or group has a different understanding of scripture as the next group within the same “faith”
its just funny that they themselves can’t agree on most biblical interpretations, but they all do agree on one thing, that Catholics are wrong
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KathleenGee
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Choy,
My observation of the organizations you mentioned do come across that their basic foundation is anti-Catholicism. Same with American sects coming out in the 1800’s. Without us, they would have lost alot of steam.
My observation of the organizations you mentioned do come across that their basic foundation is anti-Catholicism. Same with American sects coming out in the 1800’s. Without us, they would have lost alot of steam.
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larkin31
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Do protestants believe Catholics can’t go to heaven?
In 20 years of being a Protestant, I never heard such a statement.
In 20 years of being a Protestant, I never heard such a statement.
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Annabelle_Marie
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Maybe off topic–and maybe you can help me with this JonNC…
In most of the Protestant churches I went to…we considered Lutheran’s to be different…not Catholic but not Protestant…is that correct? It seems like you have views very different then lets say Assembly of God, Church of Christ, Baptist…I only say that because those are a few that I went to before.
I’ve read a few of your post where you seem insulted with people post about Protestant and I’ve never understood it because I’ve always thought of Lutherans as different.
Not that I know all that much about them but am catching up in a few good discussions with some friends that are Lutheran.
In most of the Protestant churches I went to…we considered Lutheran’s to be different…not Catholic but not Protestant…is that correct? It seems like you have views very different then lets say Assembly of God, Church of Christ, Baptist…I only say that because those are a few that I went to before.
I’ve read a few of your post where you seem insulted with people post about Protestant and I’ve never understood it because I’ve always thought of Lutherans as different.
Not that I know all that much about them but am catching up in a few good discussions with some friends that are Lutheran.
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Annabelle_Marie
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Well–my mother in law thought I needed to be saved…because I was Catholic
And I foolishly bought into it as she “led” me through the sinners prayer. Now all these years later my husband and I talked about it when I was coming back to the Catholic church. I said "well I’ve always believed that Jesus died for my sins so why did I need to be “saved” and led through the prayer. Nowhere in John 3:16 does it say that you need to say THAT prayer to be saved! I think there are a lot of misconceptions in the Protestant churchs regarding the Catholic church and some of our beliefs such as works.
My mother-in-law certainly thinks we are going to hell. It’s interesting because I’ve heard a lot more teaching about Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior in the Catholic church then I did in some of the other churches. (Yes–I understand that different congregations are different–I’m just relaying MY experience). I have heard a lot of negative talk about the Catholic church. And yet when I facebook messaged one of my good friends who is Protestant to tell her we found a church home at the Catholic church–her response? “PRAISE GOD! I’m so excited for you!”
And I foolishly bought into it as she “led” me through the sinners prayer. Now all these years later my husband and I talked about it when I was coming back to the Catholic church. I said "well I’ve always believed that Jesus died for my sins so why did I need to be “saved” and led through the prayer. Nowhere in John 3:16 does it say that you need to say THAT prayer to be saved! I think there are a lot of misconceptions in the Protestant churchs regarding the Catholic church and some of our beliefs such as works.My mother-in-law certainly thinks we are going to hell. It’s interesting because I’ve heard a lot more teaching about Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior in the Catholic church then I did in some of the other churches. (Yes–I understand that different congregations are different–I’m just relaying MY experience). I have heard a lot of negative talk about the Catholic church. And yet when I facebook messaged one of my good friends who is Protestant to tell her we found a church home at the Catholic church–her response? “PRAISE GOD! I’m so excited for you!”
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choy
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which specific protestant church did you belong to?
i find that its the newer group or protestants that are very anti-Catholic. while the more traditional Protestants aren’t necessarily anti-Catholic, though they believe there’s something wrong in the practices of the Church or don’t agree with some of the doctrines
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