Do Protestants believe that the Temple will get rebuilt?

[Doxiemom]

Jesus is ruling now with a rod of iron on the throne of his father David Acts 2:29-36. Also the saints are ruing with a rod of iron, because they had a part in the first resurrection. What is the first resurrection? Well that was the resurrection of Jesus, the first from the dead, and we take part, in that resurrection.

If you read Revelation again you will see that there is a preparation for battle but no battle, and in one instance fire comes down from heaven and consumes them. That is not a battle.

I am talking about in His Second Coming. And about after his 1000year rule. We shall disagree.

 

[Doxiemom]

Doxiemom…I do have several questions for you…one that I have been seeking an answer:

a). Does Satan know the content of the book of Revelation/Bible and know he will lose in the end?

b). If Satan does know…then why would Satan go to the charade of going to battle only to lose? I mean, if the outcome is already known…why go through it?

c). If Satan is indeed going to loose, why has not God already defeated Satan? Why is there a need to go through the charade of Armageddon?

I will ask God when I see Him. He had it Written.

Seriously, God’s plan for redemption started when the first animal was killed for Adam and Eve. The first blood shed. For food and to provide warmth.

As for the other, The best answer I have been given is perspective. It is a long time for us because we experience everything through “time”. But God is outside of time. Everything is from the beginning and is at the end altogether. Satan has his pride,nomatter what is Written, he still wants to change it all.

Why did God even create satan, knowing full well this pipsqueak will cause all kinds of grief?

This much I do know: everything is done for His Glory. He wants us to know that He loves us and that He is our God.

 

[pacloc]

Dispensationalism is not Christian. It is actually very racist.

Read St. Pauls letters about there being no more jew or Greek.

Silly people make Christianity look bad to outsiders.

(People on here should become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they think very similar)

 

[Doxiemom]

Dispensationalism is not Christian. It is actually very racist.

Read St. Pauls letters about there being no more jew or Greek.

Silly people make Christianity look bad to outsiders.

(People on here should become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they think very similar)

Not nice.

 

[mskejj]

I was not aware of this belief that Jews will convert before the Second Coming - is this belief supported by the Church? I am afraid this is not going to happen. In fact I think many orthodox Jews will reject him again even the second time around - they expect a Jewish Moschiach and he will definitely not be jewish. In fact I believe he will be pretty secular - meaning he will not support any specific religion over another - that is another reason why many Christians will reject him.

St. Paul talks about the conversion of the Jews before the second coming of Christ in Romans 11.

 

[pacloc]

It was not meant to be nice, just real. I really hope most people fascinated with this dispensationalism are just mislead and are still trying to find God. The only way I can help is to present only truth, not sugar coat lies.

Dispensationalism scares me. I had never even heard about this idea until earlier this year. Apparantly the whole world has never heard of this idea until the last few decades. I guess all our dead family that lived for 2,000 years had it all wrong.

I really would suggest reading Paul’s letters to the Galations, Ephesians, Colossians,(tonight if you have time, they are not very long) and eventually all of them. It will be made very clear that there are no divisions, no seperate hopes, no multiple comings, but one body, on Baptism. To say anything else is dangerous.

 

[pablope]

I will ask God when I see Him. He had it Written.

Seriously, God’s plan for redemption started when the first animal was killed for Adam and Eve. The first blood shed. For food and to provide warmth.

 

[mskejj]

It sounds as if the ones in Daniel 11:31 (who desecrate the temple) are the same who set up the abomination of desolation. Look:

11:31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

If you read on, Daniel parallels Paul’s words in 2 thes:

36 “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.

Again, I just don’t see any mention of Rome in all of this. It sounds like the events will go on in Jerusalem/Judea area.

No where, I’m just asking if this is common belief in Catholicism that these events will be happening in Rome. I think Protestants tend to accept that Jerusalem will play the largest role in the end times.

It is impossible to say however, and really not that important. We know there will be an Anti-Christ and persecution will ensue, and we must keep our Faith in Jesus to get through it.

1 Maccabees 1 (in the Catholic and Orthodox bible) speaks of this abomination that Daniel prophecied that had its literal fulfillment by the King Aniochus Epiphanes who became king around the year 175 BC. He invaded the sanctuary and “took away the golden altar, the lampstand for the light with all its fixtures, the offering table, the cups and the bowls, the golden censers, the curtain, the crowns, and the golden ornament on the facade of the temple. He stripped it of everything…” Two years later, Jerusalem was attacked suddenly and they set up camp in the City of David. The king commanded the whole kingdom to abandon their customs and they prohibited sacrifices to be offered in the sanctuary . On Dec. 167BC, the king erected the horrible abomination upon the altar of holocaust…the god Zeus was erected in the temple of Jerusalem. Woman who had their children circumcised were put to death after their babies were hung from their necks.

You should read this account…it is horrific and something that many Christians are unaware of because this book was dropped from their bible 200 plus years ago.

When Jesus speaks of this event in Matthew 24:16…he is speaking to the Jews who would remember this event of their history that had been prophecied by Daniel and would know that it was going to happen again …Matt 14:34 “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.” And we know that the Temple was destroyed in 70AD 40 years later…and we know from the Jewish historian Josephus that the Christians fled to the town of Pella and not one was killed.

The language of “stars falling from heaven and powers of the heavens being shaken” is used in the OT to predict the downfall of pagan kingdoms…now Jesus is redirecting this language toward Jerusalem: the kingdom of the Old Covenant Israel will be devasted for becoming corrupted like the pagans and rejecting Jesus.

Will their be another future fulfillment of this prophecy? Seems to me since Jesus is the New Temple and that our bodies are “temples” of the Holy Spirit and the daily Tamid sacrifice of the Jews has been replaced by the “pure sacrifice” of the Eucharist in the Mass in the prophecy of Malachi 1:11…perhaps the great apostasy will be mankind making themselves God …which has already happened with communism and with our secular culture. I don’t think we need a “building” to desecrate the Temple of Our Body where the Holy Spirit dwells…our world seems to do that on a frequent basis.

 

[ffg]

Why did God even create satan, knowing full well this pipsqueak will cause all kinds of grief?

Satan / evil spirits are the exact example necessary to understand the enormity of God’s love and how that love by definition creates the existence of ‘Free Will’.

God can only do good, create good. (Ultimate love, right?)

Therefore, since He creates with Love, good is not forced upon His creation.

Since good is not forced, returned love must be a choice (Free Will).

The choice then is either reflect (love), or reject.

Satan / evil spirits rejected God. Thereby proving God’s unconditional love in allowing the choice to be made and allowing the creations to continue to exist.

 

[KP3243]

I am in complete shock that there are Christians out there who think there needs to be a third Temple built? I am in shock actually. At all times and in every race, anyone who fears God and does what is right has been acceptable to him. He has, however, willed to make men holy and save them, not as individuals without any bond or link between them, but rather to make them into a people who might acknowledge him and serve him in holiness. He therefore chose the Israelite race to be his own people and established a covenant with it. He gradually instructed this people. . . . All these things, however, happened as a preparation for and figure of that new and perfect covenant which was to be ratified in Christ . . . the New Covenant in his blood; he called together a race made up of Jews and Gentiles which would be one, not according to the flesh, but in the Spirit." I am not certain which denomination you are but you are Catholics understand God’s people to be Christians but we love our Jewish brothers and sisters very much because they were the first to receive a covenant with God they are special to God so they are special to Christians. Every Easter Catholics as part of our mass intentions pray of the Jewish people, we were never intended to be separate from one another we both belong in the Kingdom of God in the New Israel. Building a third Temple seems to be going backwards, Protestants missing the Eucharist miss so much about the heavenly Jerusalem.

 

[KP3243]

It was not meant to be nice, just real. I really hope most people fascinated with this dispensationalism are just mislead and are still trying to find God. The only way I can help is to present only truth, not sugar coat lies.

Dispensationalism scares me. I had never even heard about this idea until earlier this year. Apparantly the whole world has never heard of this idea until the last few decades. I guess all our dead family that lived for 2,000 years had it all wrong.

I really would suggest reading Paul’s letters to the Galations, Ephesians, Colossians,(tonight if you have time, they are not very long) and eventually all of them. It will be made very clear that there are no divisions, no seperate hopes, no multiple comings, but one body, on Baptism. To say anything else is dangerous.

I couldn’t agree more dispenationalism scares me too. “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And whosoever shall follow this rule, peace on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.” - (Galatians 6:15-16) Here St. Paul tells his readers that in Christ neither circumcision (Jewish law) nor uncircumcision (Gentile custom) matters. What matters are those who follow the gospel, and those who follow the gospel are the “Israel of God.” It is absolutely essential that Christians (not just Catholics) fully understand this. We, the Church, are the “Israel of God.” We are Israel. We are the spiritual remnant of ancient Israel, expanded and multiplied, to encompass the whole world. This was (and is) God’s plan of salvation. It has not changed. For in the Church, it matters not whether you are Jew or Gentile. What matters is that you are in full-communion with that one Jew who unites us together. I’m speaking of the Jewish rabbi who is both Messiah and King - Jesus of Nazareth. “In fact, from the beginning of his ministry, the Lord Jesus instituted the Twelve as ‘the seeds of the new Israel and the beginning of the sacred hierarchy.’” - (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 877)

 

[KP3243]

The other thing that bothers me is that some of the Protestant comments are supporting a new Temple but the Messiah the Jewish people think is coming, is a messiah who is going to wage war and take lands over, this is not Jesus they are talking about. They are trying to re establish the Biblical Israel, It is disturbing to me that in Israel the Jewish State they are recreating Temple artifacts and fully intend to rebuilt the Temple someday apparently soon I am not sure how God is going to respond. Frankly it scares me, not only for myself but for the Jews who do this. I also find it hurtful to Jesus, he gave up his life to establish the Earthly Kingdom of God, the new Israel. it is bad enough Protestants deny Jesus in the Eucharist, I seriously dont know how they read John 6 and say Jesus was only speaking symobliclly John 6:66 doesn’t make it sound like Jesus was speaking symbolically and why all of a sudden when God, Jesus the second person of the Trinity says I AM (the bread of life) this isn’t taking literally doesn’t that defeat the purpose of I AM in all the rest of scripture. It is gut wrenching that Christians are encouraging the people who denied Him the first time to re establish the Isreal that doesn’t believe he is the Messiah. I love my Jewish brothers and sisters and I don’t want anything bad to happen to them I think the focus should be helping them understand the New Israel and the new covenant, once they all convert Jesus will come but it isn’t going to be easy and there will be suffering.

 

[KP3243]

Daniel 11:31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.

Contrast with the Abomination of Desolation that Jesus speaks of. Is it a common belief that all this is going on in Rome and not in Jerusalem? I always assumed the temples daily sacrifice would be done in Jerusalem and not in Rome, as there will be no daily sacrifice in Rome.

Look at Christ’s words:

Matthew 24:15-16“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

I just don’t see Rome in this… Especially with the mention of Judea.

First Catholics never stopped offering God a sacrifice and it is offered daily at mass, the Eucharist is one eternal sacrifice. Second, Matthew 24:15-16 already happened in the years leading up to Temple being destroyed in 70 AD it is not futuristic.
About A.D. 40, Caius Caligula issued a peremptory decree ordering the erection and worship of his statute in the Temple of God. He also appointed to the government of Syria, bidding him carry out that decree even at the cost of a war against the rebellious Jews. Whereupon the Jews in tens of thousands protested to the governor that they were willing to be slaughtered rather than to be condemned to witness that idolatrous profanation of their holy Temple. Soon afterwards Petronius asked Caligula to revoke his order, and Agrippa I, who then lived at Rome, prevailed upon the Emperor not to enforce his decree. It seems, however, that Caligula soon repented of the concession, and that but for his untimely death (A.D. 41) he would have had his statue set up in Jerusalem. In view of these facts it is affirmed by many scholars that the early Christians could easily regard the forthcoming erection of statues in the Temple as the act of idolatrous abomination which, according to the prophet Daniel 9:27, portended the ruin of the House of God, and therefore see in it the actual sign given by Christ for their flight from Judea.

 

[GEddie]

The other thing that bothers me is that some of the Protestant comments are supporting a new Temple but the Messiah the Jewish people think is coming, is a messiah who is going to wage war and take lands over, this is not Jesus they are talking about. They are trying to re establish the Biblical Israel, It is disturbing to me that in Israel the Jewish State they are recreating Temple artifacts and fully intend to rebuilt the Temple someday apparently soon I am not sure how God is going to respond. Frankly it scares me, not only for myself but for the Jews who do this. I also find it hurtful to Jesus, he gave up his life to establish the Earthly Kingdom of God, the new Israel. it is bad enough Protestants deny Jesus in the Eucharist, I seriously dont know how they read John 6 and say Jesus was only speaking symobliclly John 6:66 doesn’t make it sound like Jesus was speaking symbolically and why all of a sudden when God, Jesus the second person of the Trinity says I AM (the bread of life) this isn’t taking literally doesn’t that defeat the purpose of I AM in all the rest of scripture. It is gut wrenching that Christians are encouraging the people who denied Him the first time to re establish the Isreal that doesn’t believe he is the Messiah. I love my Jewish brothers and sisters and I don’t want anything bad to happen to them I think the focus should be helping them understand the New Israel and the new covenant, once they all convert Jesus will come but it isn’t going to be easy and there will be suffering.

There is a Temple Institute and they are preparing the physical appurtenances of temple worship, however, this is of no consequence in the geometry of modern Israeli life.

Israel is a secular state. Rebuilding the temple is not on its to-do list, particularly as it would trigger the next great Mideastern war. The Temple Institute is just a blip on the screen.

ICXC NIKA

 

[KP3243]

There is a Temple Institute and they are preparing the physical appurtenances of temple worship, however, this is of no consequence in the geometry of modern Israeli life.

Israel is a secular state. Rebuilding the temple is not on its to-do list, particularly as it would trigger the next great Mideastern war. The Temple Institute is just a blip on the screen.

ICXC NIKA

That is what I assume too my very good friend is from a large Jewish family and some of her family lives in Israel I get the impression that it is taboo for them to talk about re building the Temple and it is not really a pressing matter for them but I did run across this timesofisrael.com/minister-calls-for-third-temple-to-be-built/ and all Jews pray for a new Temple, there are also rabbis that want to sue the Vatican because they believe for whatever reason that after the Romans destroyed the Temple they took their treasure like the Gold Menorah and didn’t destroy the treasure or melt it down or use it for their Pagan Gods and then 250 years later when they stopped persecuting us they just gave us all Temple treasure they took in 70AD, some times it only takes a few to get a movement started.

 

[openmind77]

Israel is a secular state. Rebuilding the temple is not on its to-do list, particularly as it would trigger the next great Mideastern war. The Temple Institute is just a blip on the screen.

ICXC NIKA

I hope this is true. However Netanyahu’s coalition has many right wing members who would definitely like to see the Temple rebuilt, at least to appease the right wing.

But ultimately, it is the support of American Christians who believe in this story (that the Temple has to be rebuilt before the return of the Christ), that is funding and driving this whole thing.

 

[GEddie]

I hope this is true. However Netanyahu’s coalition has many right wing members who would definitely like to see the Temple rebuilt, at least to appease the right wing.

But ultimately, it is the support of American Christians who believe in this story (that the Temple has to be rebuilt before the return of the Christ), that is funding and driving this whole thing.

Although I do not live there, I cannot imagine that political “appeasement” would lead a hardhead like Netanyahu into a tripwire for major war. Particularly as with our present leadership, they are less likely than ever before to be backstopped by the USA.

The Temple CANNOT be built under current political conditions without a war starting.

ICXC NIKA

 

[504Katrin]

That is what I assume too my very good friend is from a large Jewish family and some of her family lives in Israel I get the impression that it is taboo for them to talk about re building the Temple and it is not really a pressing matter for them but I did run across this timesofisrael.com/minister-calls-for-third-temple-to-be-built/ and all Jews pray for a new Temple, there are also rabbis that want to sue the Vatican because they believe for whatever reason that after the Romans destroyed the Temple they took their treasure like the Gold Menorah and didn’t destroy the treasure or melt it down or use it for their Pagan Gods and then 250 years later when they stopped persecuting us they just gave us all Temple treasure they took in 70AD, some times it only takes a few to get a movement started.

The Romans destroyed not only the Temple but killed and tortured hundreds of thousand of Jews. Many of them were brought to Rome as slaves. And they kept treassures of the Temple. It’s written down somewhere that they took the golden Menorah. I just have to find the source.

 

[Darryl_B]

I am talking about in His Second Coming. And about after his 1000year rule. We shall disagree.

You are choosing to believe something despite the Biblical evidence. No matter, as I was once there with you, so I understand what you are expecting, you are waiting for this military manifestation of Jesus and he will show people, boy will he show people. To be honest the toughest nut to crack in doctrine is the millenium. It took twenty years for me, but now scripture is just wow.

 

[KP3243]

The Romans destroyed not only the Temple but killed and tortured hundreds of thousand of Jews. Many of them were brought to Rome as slaves. And they kept treassures of the Temple. It’s written down somewhere that they took the golden Menorah. I just have to find the source.

If the Romans brought the Temple treasures to Rome, why would they have given it to the Christians? We were persecuted and tortured for another 250 years after the Temple fell so I am completely lost as to why people believe that the Temple treasures are stored in the Vatican today or believe that the Temple treasures still exist. The Romans we notorious for destroying Christian churches, art, sculpture and replacing it or forcing Christians to worship the Roman pagan gods, so I personally find it unlikely that the Romans kept the Temple treasure or kept them in intact for even a little while let alone for another 250 years and all of a sudden became generous and gave it to the Christians. Also, the Vatican that exists today wasn’t even constructed until the 1500’s and finally completed until the 1600s before that, it was a church on a large plain and during the Roman persecution we hid in the Catacombs and worshiped in people’s houses for a very long time so there was no room for a large Golden Menorah and frankly our Early Christians brothers and sisters would have associated something like the Golden Menorah with the Old Covenant, our lamp stands are completely different, they are six individual candles during a high mass with the 7th being Jesus in the Tabernacle or the priest acting in Persona Christi during the sacrificial offering.