Do some or a lot of Catholics like Joel Osteen???

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Sailor_Kenshin said:
Obvious in what way?

How can you know what someone ‘believes?’
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Have you seen him on the View? I have. He’s terrible. Any Catholic on this forum could do ten-times the job of defending Christianity against the likes of Behar and Goldberg. He can’t answer their questions and he just smiles & chuckles while they make a fool out of him. I feel embarrased for him. He’s just completely unprepared for apologetics.

As far as what he believes, you’re right, I don’t know.

But I do know that if he thinks he’s doing Chirstianity a favor he’s not. He should stick to preaching to his congregation and stay away from the secular TV.
 
CopticChristian said:
Joel as I understand it has no training. I like his father better.** I like Charles Stanley. He is dead and is seen now on recorded broadcast. **This gives a new meaning to Protestant oral tradition, since he is dead, and we are hearing his words from the past.

I used to like Reverend Ike, he is on the Interenet. He is similar to all the wealth and richness guys like creflo dollar and the like however they are not as arrogant as Reverend Ike. He was good.

I had difficulty with Kathryn Kuhlman on TV, I wasn’t sure if she was a corpse or not.

Joel has been criticized by many. He never really says anything of substance
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I’m not sure if I’m reading you wrong, but Charles Stanley is NOT dead.
 
The_GreyPilgrim said:
Have you seen him on the View? I have. He’s terrible. Any Catholic on this forum could do ten-times the job of defending Christianity against the likes of Behar and Goldberg. He can’t answer their questions and he just smiles & chuckles while they make a fool out of him. I feel embarrased for him. He’s just completely unprepared for apologetics.

As far as what he believes, you’re right, I don’t know.

But I do know that if he thinks he’s doing Chirstianity a favor he’s not. He should stick to preaching to his congregation and stay away from the secular TV.
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you are so perceptive. he is so good at smiling and chuckling, isn’t he? i understand what you mean by being embarrassed for him because he is so successful, but he is not polished (prepared) to handle the attacks from the secular world i don’t think. i agree that he should stick to being a televangelist celebrity and stay away from the secular media.
to me he is a celebrity and he is a motivitational speaker and he wants to help people feel better about themselves and be successful, but, as you say, he is NOT doing Christianity a favor.
 
The strength and the weakness of Osteen - depending upon your point of view - is that he seems determined to avoid hard positions on many tough issues. He projects a very conciliatory attitude, slow to judge, broad in what he accepts as okay Christianity.
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That doesn't bother me. I hope he doesn't get corrupted by fame and fortunate. People like Swaggart and Bakker certainly were - plus yielding to carnal sin.  I have a feeling that many clergy - priests and ministers both - go into the priesthood/ministry sincerely, wanting to serve God humbly, living purely, etc.  They become too egotistical, for one thing, and want big cars and lush swimming pools.  In other cases, they begin to lose bits and pieces of their faith - they mellow. some would say. I've read that Billy Graham was a hyper-fundamentalist when he started out, but as he matured his theology became much broader. He came to realize that honesty requires that we recognize this vast and mysterious world as beyond our human comprehension. To God be the glory - but as for details, how much can we really know? 

So far, I think Joel Osteen is doing just fine. Will that continue to be true? Time alone will tell.
 
jason3477 said:
I kind of/sort of like what he preaches… he has some good advice I think…

But maybe his church there in Houston Texas is just for seekers-people who are just beginning to seek for God…

You know what I mean?

What do you think??
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Like any protestant or christian sect there may be some truth in it but is only 2 dimensional compared to breadth and width of the original church. The Catholic Church contains the whole deposit of truth revealed to us mere humans by Jesus Christ. It was his Church that was left as his authourity on earth. So even though I love him as a brother in Christ, his separation from “The Church” is very sad!

Peace!👍
 
I also watch Joyce Meyer, John Hagee, and others. And I LIKE them.

Enough with the mind-reading and tongue-wagging.
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
I also watch Joyce Meyer, John Hagee, and others. And I LIKE them.

Enough with the mind-reading and tongue-wagging.
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Agreed on Joyce Meyer. She’s a very good and mostly very sound preacher, except when she veers off into distinctive Word of Faith stuff. But even that she doesn’t take to wacky extremes as some WoF preachers do. 👍

I don’t much care for Hagee. It’s partly his style, and partly that he’s too conservative for me, theologically, socially and politically. 🤷
 
Contarini said:
No, it doesn’t. Two errors don’t make a truth. They make two errors.

I also have problems with the language some traditional Catholics use about “seeking” suffering. But that doesn’t justify the prosperity Gospel.

Edwin
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I have talked about this before and I agree with you. Suffering in and of itself serves no purpose unless it has some redemptive value, provided it is done in a graceful way. Sufferings such as unjust persecution, adversity in life, or some personal sacrifice that one makes for the good of another person, lead to heavenly rewards if one offers them up to God. Self-punishment or suffering for the sake of suffering, however, serves no purpose. I remember my RCIA teacher telling us once that the more unpleasant our lives are on earth, the better chance we have of getting into heaven. 🤷 What a bizzare statement. I don’t think she could have been more wrong.

Fasting is different though I think since it’s biblical and is used for prayer purposes.
 
Joyce Meyer can be effective. However, Hagee seems to focus almost entirely upon Israel as though God was mainly in the real estate business. He is an effective, peppery preacher, but I sometimes wonder about how much of his financing comes from those who want to make sure the USA backs Israel, no matter what. He certainly has friend in Congress and the AIPAC.
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 If we were to take Genesis seriously (see 15:18-21) we should make sure Israel controls everything from the Nile River in Egypt to the Euphrates River in Iraq. Do we really believe that? I think Hagee's fanatical devotion to Israel badly warps his message.

 Perhaps the ones that disturb me most are like Parsley and Coontz (do I have those names right?). Their emphasis always is on the 'prosperity gospel'. Send their ministries money and God will pour out his blessings - and soon! Scams? I have to wonder. If they are sincere, they certainly don't understand the Christian faith.

 Joel Osteen is fresh air after listening to some of these others. So far, I respect him even if I may take issue with him on this or that point.
 
Izdaari said:
Agreed on Joyce Meyer. She’s a very good and mostly very sound preacher, except when she veers off into distinctive Word of Faith stuff. But even that she doesn’t take to wacky extremes as some WoF preachers do. 👍

I don’t much care for Hagee. It’s partly his style, and partly that he’s too conservative for me, theologically, socially and politically. 🤷
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That’s EXACTLY why I like him. :rotfl:
 
His motivational speaking is okay, and sometimes worth listening to. His theology is NOT something I follow, though.

But, I do think his accent is really cool; then again, I think general Southern accents are cool.

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