Do Some Priests Prohibit Bible Reading?

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I have only met one priest who disapproved of lay people reading the Bible. We had just started a Bible study group in our parish with the full approval of the Parish Priest, but his assistant priest was not happy and told us in no uncertain terms that it would lead us into heresy but we would not be able to understand what we were reading.

Every other priest I have known has been most supportive of lay people reading/studying the Bible.
 
Growing up in the 70’s and 80’s, and attending Mass “somewhat regularly,” I know I was never actively encouraged to read the Bible outside of CCD or Mass. I don’t remember ever being told to not read it. I basically grew up as a fairly clueless Catholic - in terms of not understanding the relationship between scripture and the Mass, or scripture and the foundation of the entire Church, for that matter.

My “reversion” to the Church was about 4 years ago. Our parish is constantly encouraged to attend Bible Studies, Church history classes, and to borrow a wealth of CD and DVD resources that are available at the parish. That, coupled with resources like Catholic Answers, has been the foundation for an amazing growth experience for me. I wish my childhood parish would have done this, too.

I shudder to think what I would have said in college when asked a question about the Bible or Catholicism. Frightening.

I hope the students in your class are given the grace to know the Bible. It’s the source of the beauty and magnificence of the Catholic Church. I appreciate you asking this question and starting this thread. God Bless
 
Sorry Everyone, but I don’t think it is fair to blame parents. Catholic parents got this idea from what the Church emphasized throughout history. I love the Church, embrace especially the whole philosophy of Vatican 2. But lets not gloss over the Church’s past flaws and just blame others (in this case parents). We need to grow up and take responsibility for our mistakes of the past. Why do all of you think Pope John Paul II apologized for how we dropped the ball on on the Jewish people in WW2 when they were being slaughtered by the Nazis? Come on, guys. Get real. The way to true holiness is to acknowledge our flaws like true virtuous men and women and move on. The church in earlier centuries did discourage reading the bible (that’s why Martin Luther had to hide and translate the scriptures into common language).

Quit blaming “parents” as if members of the Catholic Church pulled this idea out of their own heads. Get real!
If I appear to be trying to lay off blame or not take responsibility - I apologize. That is not my intent.
But certainly it is important to understand the whys and hows of such things in order to more profitably move forward. The OP asked a legitimate question and we are seeking to give legitimate answers.
Part of that is separating actual “Church Teaching” (big “T”) from the actions and teachings (small “t”) of individuals.

Peace
James
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church:

132 "Therefore, the study of the sacred page should be the very soul of sacred theology. The ministry of the Word, too - pastoral preaching, catechetics and all forms of Christian instruction, among which the liturgical homily should hold pride of place - is healthily nourished and thrives in holiness through the Word of Scripture."111

133 The Church "forcefully and specifically exhorts all the Christian faithful. . . to learn the surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ, by frequent reading of the divine Scriptures. Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.112

scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s1c2a3.htm#V

and here is a wonderful document from Pope Benedict XVI

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_ben-xvi_exh_20100930_verbum-domini_en.html
 
Found THIS just this morning…A confirmation of the “from the parents” idea…
The salient part to our conversation states…
Ask almost anyone over the age of sixty who was raised Catholic and you will hear how priests discouraged reading the Bible. “It’s too complicated. You will only get things wrong,” seems to have been the common priestly warning. It seems that many if not most Catholic families didn’t even have a copy of the Scriptures in the home.
The article then goes on to explain how this was NOT Church teaching and in fact that the Church has been encouraging the faithful to read the Bible more and more.

Peace
James
Interesting article, ignoring inaccuracies about the canon and Martin Luther. So the priestly warnings did exist at some point and probably still reverberate.
 
JRKH - That’s a great point - the separation of Church teaching from the actions and teachings of individuals. I think the lack of understanding the Bible, the Biblical foundation of the Catholic faith, and a serious lack of catechesis over the years is at the heart of this problem. I have friends, life-long Catholics, that to this day argue about things that are entirely outside basic Catholic teaching. Things that border on heresy - seriously - if a Priest or other more prominent person continually advocated these things, it would be scandalous.

So from that perspective I think it’s partially the Church’s fault, and partially parents/individual Catholics’ fault. Undoubtedly the Church has not always done a great job in catechesis. But I also think individual Catholics are often very quick and persistent in denying Church teachings, instead relying on their own “interpretation” of reality. No matter what resources I give to my friends, most from valid Catholic sources such as THE CATECHISM, they just aren’t buying it. It’s very upsetting.

My reversion has been a simply wonderful experience. I’m so excited, and I can’t get enough. This is all partially stained by a feeling that these same friends think I’m a little nuts. It’s like I’m trying to show them how excited I am about beginning to live and understand my Catholic faith, and they just “don’t want to hear it.” And I know I may be taking a leap here, but these are some of the same Catholics who still believe that they don’t need to “study” the Bible…they get it (when they go) at Mass…and that’s enough.
 
The only Bible I have ever owned was given to me by the pastor of my Catholic parish in 1982. A very good priest from the ‘old school,’ I might add… I can see MAYBE how some priests might be afraid their parishioners could get confused on certain teachings and readings from the Bible, BUT it is those same priests’ responsibility to GUIDE THEIR PARISHONERS.
 
If you go back to the OP I noted that they are good students. They seem to gravitate toward the class as if they will sort of subversively find knowledge that’s been kept from them by their church, which of course plays right into Catholic stereotypes. That’s the part that makes me uncomfortable.

I don’t delve into their level of religious participation which IMO would be inappropriate. Some of them I know are graduates of Catholic high schools, but again, I have no idea how much the Bible is necessarily emphasized in the curriculum of Catholic schools.

So far, I think the idea that this is coming from the parents is carrying the day.
I am really impressed by the Christian manner in which you are acting. You have been given a lot of information to prove that you are correct with the idea that those students misunderstand the Church. I am saddened by the religious preparation of some Catholics and what is even more terrible is that as a catechist I am not surprised to hear that.
 
JRKH - That’s a great point - the separation of Church teaching from the actions and teachings of individuals. I think the lack of understanding the Bible, the Biblical foundation of the Catholic faith, and a serious lack of catechesis over the years is at the heart of this problem. I have friends, life-long Catholics, that to this day argue about things that are entirely outside basic Catholic teaching. Things that border on heresy - seriously - if a Priest or other more prominent person continually advocated these things, it would be scandalous.

So from that perspective I think it’s partially the Church’s fault, and partially parents/individual Catholics’ fault. Undoubtedly the Church has not always done a great job in catechesis. But I also think individual Catholics are often very quick and persistent in denying Church teachings, instead relying on their own “interpretation” of reality. No matter what resources I give to my friends, most from valid Catholic sources such as THE CATECHISM, they just aren’t buying it. It’s very upsetting.

My reversion has been a simply wonderful experience. I’m so excited, and I can’t get enough. This is all partially stained by a feeling that these same friends think I’m a little nuts. It’s like I’m trying to show them how excited I am about beginning to live and understand my Catholic faith, and they just “don’t want to hear it.” And I know I may be taking a leap here, but these are some of the same Catholics who still believe that they don’t need to “study” the Bible…they get it (when they go) at Mass…and that’s enough.
Quoting the Catechism in its new form does in no way negate the reality that in past centuries the Church did discourage the personal reading and interpretation of scripture. That is what makes Vatican 2 so wondrous and amazing; it was a major leap in faith to truly encourage personal faith, and unity with other Christians in their faith of Christ, in the knowledge that if the Church provided the truth of scripture, it would not lead its congregants away from the Catholic Church, but would, through the power of the Holy Spirit, attract them and lead them to live holy, humble lives that truly glorify God for His amazing grace to all of us.

Regarding this response:
“If I appear to be trying to lay off blame or not take responsibility - I apologize. That is not my intent.
But certainly it is important to understand the whys and hows of such things in order to more profitably move forward. The OP asked a legitimate question and we are seeking to give legitimate answers.
Part of that is separating actual “Church Teaching” (big “T”) from the actions and teachings (small “t”) of individuals.”


Yes, I know that; and I thank you for saying so. I was not offended, just a little surprised that “parents” were made the culprits in general, as though they were independently assuming such a religious stance. Surely, you see that point?

Peace to you, too:)
 
Your students, (on both sides) are grossly misinformed. If the Church does not allow and encourage personal reading of the Word of God then why are there indulgences attached to it and published in many catechisms and the fronts of many Catholic Bibles.

These are there to specifically encourage the practice of reading the Bible.
• A partial indulgence is granted the Christian faithful who read sacred Scripture with the veneration due God’s word and as a form of spiritual reading. The indulgence will be a plenary one when such reading is done for at least one-half hour [provided the other conditions are met].
Myths about Indulgences (scroll down to HOW TO GAIN AN INDULGENCE and then to the list near the bottom of the article).

Many also have the encyclical Dei Verbum in the front as well. You might also read Verbum Domini which also deals with the Church and the Word of God.

Perhaps you should print that out and give it to your Catholic students and make it available to your others as well.

Oh, and the only time that the Church came down Bibles and reading them was back when “reformed” versions were published that had anti-Catholic notes in them or grossly mistranslated passages. Mostly the former.
 
=Dave Noonan;9329735]The thread on prohibiting a Bible study in a Catholic parish reminded me of a phenomenon that I experience in the university classroom. I often teach courses on the Bible and most semesters have at least one or two self-identified Catholics who state that while they are allowed to hear the readings at Mass, personal reading of the Bible is prohibited in the Catholic Church. So they come to class eager to know more about the Bible because they “don’t get it in church.” They are generally good students.
I had always thought that such ideas went out the window ages ago, if they ever even existed. And these are 18-21 year olds so I take what they have to say with a grain of salt and as a non-Catholic I don’t feel like it’s my place to directly question what they have been taught. However, this sentiment is more than a fluke because I’ve run across it numerous times.
So my question is, are there still priests out there who discourage/prohibit personal reading of the Bible? If so, what is the rationale behind such a prohibition?
AS A LIFE LONG CATHOLIC WHO HAS LIVED IN NEARLY A DOZEN STATES AND EVEN MORE PARISHES I HAVE NEVER HEARD EVEN A RUMOR OD SUCH AN ACTIVITY. AND I HAVE BEEN VERY ACTICE IN PARISH MINISTRY FOR MORE THAN TWENTY YEARS.

I FIND THIS CLAIM EXTREMELY HARD TO BELIEVE, AS THERE IS NO REASON OR JUSTIFICATION FOR IT.🤷

God bless,
pat/PJM
 
So would the average Catholic teenager have been exposed to the type of Bible study you are describing in their parish? Is there a comprehensive Bible curriculum in most Catholic High Schools? If there is, they weren’t paying much attention (which is possible.)
The key word here is “average”. The “average” Cathlic teenager, these days, doesn’t attend Mass or religious ed, let alone attend a Catholic high school. Those teens aren’t exposed to any Catholic teaching on a regular basis.

Of those that do attend Mass and Religious ed, they would almost all have been exposed to Scripture study in one form or another. If they attend Catholic school, they likely have at least one of the four years of high school theology class dedicated to Scripture with liberal use of the Bible in the other years. Scripture study is a required component of **all **high school coures that are approved by the Bishops. My kids have been required to own their own Bible for use in class since the fourth grade.

If they attend parish religious education classes only, they may or may not have a formal Bible study curriculum. In my parish, there are sections on using the Bible woven into each year’s curriculum but not a stand-alone course.

Some parishes do not have formal religious education for high school students but rely on the teen programs to provide formation. Even so, I have never heard of a teen program that did not stress Scripture - either personal reading of the Bible or group based study.
 
Yeah, my sainted Me-Ma, (God rest her soul) was “old school” from way back before Vatican II, and she had her Bible by her bed and read it constantly. I’ll never forget her response after I “got saved” and told her that praying for the dead did no good.
(See My Testimony )

To this day I cannot read the chapter and verse she quoted to me when she said, "Well Michael, it’s right there in 2nd Maccabees 12:46 where it says “It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.” without hearing her voice in my head.

She probably had forgotten more about the Word of God and our most holy faith than I’ll ever know. 👍
 
If that’s the students’ concern, it’s certainly how they are expressing it. Of course the Fundamentalists in the class exchange knowing glances as if the Catholic students’ comments confirm their worst beliefs about Catholics. The whole business makes me uncomfortable.

So would the average Catholic teenager have been exposed to the type of Bible study you are describing in their parish? Is there a comprehensive Bible curriculum in most Catholic High Schools? If there is, they weren’t paying much attention (which is possible.)
I have never seen or heard of such a thing happening. It is not even an option for Catholics to NOT read the bible. Every parish I have been a member of had small faith group bible studies. Some parishes have Bible study classes before or after mass and many others have it during the week. I belong to two weekly studies. One on Tuesdays which deals with the readings of the mass for the upcoming Sunday and the other on Thurseday nights deals with various study topics, prayer and testimonies. Many Protestants are not familiar with liturgy which is a very intimate form of worship as well as very anceint. They are use to having the Bible “preached” at them during service. This may be mistaken for not allowing their congregation to “read the bible.” A young teeneage Catholic with envangelical/pentecostal friends may develop this misconception which is why it is important for Catholic parents to “evangelize” their children and “educate” them about the mass vs a bible study.

Peace,

David
 
I was brought up in the Episcopal church and we were never encouraged to read the Bible, nor were there any bible study groups in any of the parishes I belonged to.

Actually the only training I received was during Confirmation classes and that was learning the Commandments, Creeds, the names of the Apostles etc. Nothing about the Bible was taught.

It appears that things have changed in many of the more traditional denominations over the years and bible study is now being offered at many.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
In his post above, (name removed by moderator) mentions ethnic backgrounds (Irish and Polish) and I think that this may be a very important factor since we obviously have folks who have heard this and those who have not…

In my case, my background is German Catholic and even though my mother was at least second or third generation American, at the time she was in School, the parishes were still quite “ethnic”…In fact, although they actually lived closer to “Sacred Heart” Parish, they went to “Sts Peter and Paul” because that was the “German” parish whereas Sacred Heart was "Irish…🤷
This is not unlike today when we have Hispanic parishes, Vietnamese parishes etc…

Anyway - Just thinking here a bit…
I wonder if the concerns expressed by the priests and nuns in this “German Catholic” parish might not have their roots in the fact that Luther was German and the “Reformation” was very strong in Germany. Is it possible that where the reformation did not take root (Ireland for instance) independent Bible reading was not as much of a concern as it was in countries where the Reformation had taken hold??
This might account for my mom (Germanic) being discouraged, and (name removed by moderator)'s family heard no such thing…

Peace
James
 
I wonder if the concerns expressed by the priests and nuns in this “German Catholic” parish might not have their roots in the fact that Luther was German and the “Reformation” was very strong in Germany. Is it possible that where the reformation did not take root (Ireland for instance) independent Bible reading was not as much of a concern as it was in countries where the Reformation had taken hold??
This might account for my mom (Germanic) being discouraged, and (name removed by moderator)'s family heard no such thing…
Interesting theory.
 
My mother who was in School in the 1930’s told me that the nuns discouraged independent bible reading. I say again - discouraged, not forbade. Of course in those days “discouraging” by a priest or a nun was tantamount to being forbidden in the minds of many.

Her understanding was that these nuns (her teachers in grade school) felt that everything they needed to know was contained in the Catechism so there was no need for them to read the bible…

. . . .

Peace
James
Well, after a division in a community, especially one as hard-fought as the Reformation, both sides tend to go to extreme. Catholics, seeing what unrestrained reading of the Bible had done, discouraged it except by experts. But at least we did not stop reading the Scriptures in liturgies (Mass, Liturgy of the Hours). Protestants, seeing what blind rote could do to rituals, and distrusting or denying the sacraments, tended to simplify liturgies to the bare minimum: reading, sermon, prayer.

So, while Catholics did not always read the Bible itself, we do know and read or hear many of the Bible stories. For example, the Last Supper is retold and celebrated at every Mass. Sunday Masses have always had three readings, plus a section of a Psalm, plus other chants from the Scriptures, and so on. Our Churches were full of pictures of the Bible, or of saints including Bible saints. We were never ignorant of the Bible.

But reading the Bible was never forbidden. There were vernacular Catholic Bibles, such as the Douay-Rheims in English. Also, the fact that the “official” Bible was the Latin Vulgate meant that a person needed a certain minimum of education to be able to read it, which helped in that the less educated would not be so likely to go astray.
 
The key word here is “average”. The “average” Cathlic teenager, these days, doesn’t attend Mass or religious ed, let alone attend a Catholic high school. Those teens aren’t exposed to any Catholic teaching on a regular basis.

Of those that do attend Mass and Religious ed, they would almost all have been exposed to Scripture study in one form or another. If they attend Catholic school, they likely have at least one of the four years of high school theology class dedicated to Scripture with liberal use of the Bible in the other years. Scripture study is a required component of **all **high school coures that are approved by the Bishops. My kids have been required to own their own Bible for use in class since the fourth grade.

If they attend parish religious education classes only, they may or may not have a formal Bible study curriculum. In my parish, there are sections on using the Bible woven into each year’s curriculum but not a stand-alone course.

Some parishes do not have formal religious education for high school students but rely on the teen programs to provide formation. Even so, I have never heard of a teen program that did not stress Scripture - either personal reading of the Bible or group based study.
I not sure why this disconnect is taking place between what’s been going on in the Church, and the perception of those who feel the “problem” is people’s perception of what has been going on. The USCCB, after much research, determined to overhaul Catholic textbooks, ceasing to use much of what has been propagated within the Church for quite some time now. The new textbooks promote the Catechism of the Catholic Church, a summary of everything the Catholic Church teaches, promulgated by Pope John Paul II.
The original article describing the state of those researched textbooks can be found here: calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=8fb2bb89-34e8-4cec-ad03-7a019fe9a8d1. Very Scary! (There was one retraction by the author who incorrectly incorporates the general philosophy of Ray O’Connor, theology department chair of Stuart High School, into the specific circumstance at the school)

I’m not trying to take this conversation in a different direction (liberal vs conservative). I am (apparently unsuccessfully) merely trying to make a point that whenever someone says, “I learned this in Catholic High School”, most everyone assumes the person misunderstood! That is definitely not the case. Catholic education (like much Protestant education) has veered off track more than one time in history. It is commonly understood that early in the Church’s history, scripture reading was discouraged. On the opposite extreme, as this article points out, much of what has been taught over the past few decades has been sheer rubbish. The Church is now responding to the damage that I believe has caused so much hemorrhaging of our Church membership. Waking up to all of this is a good thing, finally ridding us of the embarrassment of allowing these things to continue to damage the goodness and holiness of the Church. In this latter case, I am not inferring this stuff has ever been Church teaching; but it was damaging our Catholic youth, and it certainly wasn’t dealt with. That’s part of the reason why we have the situations at Notre Dame and Georgetown right now.

The conclusion to all of this isn’t bleak. I think it should simply awaken us the fact that we must always pray for good and holy men, women and children to each take their personal roles in contributing to the Church’s good. And that, I think, begins by looking at ourselves, as well as others, realistically.
 
As my personal experience goes, I have attended Mass in over seven states and I have never ever heard a Catholic priest prohibit Bible Reading.

However, I heard on the radio, when I was going towards the EWTN station, that one parish prohibits it it may be a lie. I don’t know.

But, that was about a year ago.

God Bless.
 
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