Do suicides go to hell?

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Hello to all my Brothers and Sisters,

I have a friend who told me they had a family member who committed suicide many years ago and their Priest would not do mass and/or bury him/her, so they left the Roman Catholic Church so they could have a Church burial for this person. They are now Protestant. I am a new Catholic and not familiar with this issue.

Was there ever a teaching or misunderstanding of people who commit suicide going to hell with in the Catholic Church or did this Priest just go by his own opinion?

I am trying to help her understand how great being a Roman Catholic is this seems to be a big obstacle for her not trusting RC Church.

Any help is appreciated. thanks!
 
Hello to all my Brothers and Sisters,

I have a friend who told me they had a family member who committed suicide many years ago and their Priest would not do mass and/or bury him/her, so they left the Roman Catholic Church so they could have a Church burial for this person. They are now Protestant. I am a new Catholic and not familiar with this issue.

Was there ever a teaching or misunderstanding of people who commit suicide going to hell with in the Catholic Church or did this Priest just go by his own opinion?

I am trying to help her understand how great being a Roman Catholic is this seems to be a big obstacle for her not trusting RC Church.

Any help is appreciated. thanks!
Hello,

May God mercy be with you and the family of the person you spoke of. The Church does not make any stance on who is in hell. This is what one has to look at in the case of a suiside. To commite murder is a mortal sin. If you commite suiside you are not able to ask for forgiveness as you are dead. then there is alos the point that to truely be moral sin you have to be able to know that it is wrong and choose to do it anyway that may not always be true in the case of a suiside. My great grand father was a suiside and I pray for him that is the best we can do.
 
Hello to all my Brothers and Sisters,

I have a friend who told me they had a family member who committed suicide many years ago and their Priest would not do mass and/or bury him/her, so they left the Roman Catholic Church so they could have a Church burial for this person. They are now Protestant. I am a new Catholic and not familiar with this issue.

Was there ever a teaching or misunderstanding of people who commit suicide going to hell with in the Catholic Church or did this Priest just go by his own opinion?

I am trying to help her understand how great being a Roman Catholic is this seems to be a big obstacle for her not trusting RC Church.

Any help is appreciated. thanks!
What we objectively know is that any Catholic who dies in a state of unrepented mortal sin goes to Hell.
However, only God knows the state of our soul at death.
Who are we to say if the person commiting suicide does not repent before their last breath or that their state of mind prior to the act in fact reduced their culpability.
 
From the CCC:

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

It then goes on to say…

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law. Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
 
Hello to all my Brothers and Sisters,

I have a friend who told me they had a family member who committed suicide many years ago and their Priest would not do mass and/or bury him/her, so they left the Roman Catholic Church so they could have a Church burial for this person. They are now Protestant. I am a new Catholic and not familiar with this issue.

Was there ever a teaching or misunderstanding of people who commit suicide going to hell with in the Catholic Church or did this Priest just go by his own opinion?

I am trying to help her understand how great being a Roman Catholic is this seems to be a big obstacle for her not trusting RC Church.

Any help is appreciated. thanks!
My own understanding is that years ago suicides were not allowed to be buried in hallowed ground as it is understood that if you lose all hope and commit suicide you would go to hell. The Church has softened its stance after long years of study due to the idea that nobody knows what the last thoughts are prior to death. Did the person repent in that last second? To my knowledge, with the exception of Judas and even then I have not seen it in official writing, the Church has never made any claim for an individual judgment. We just do not know.
 
My own understanding is that years ago suicides were not allowed to be buried in hallowed ground as it is understood that if you lose all hope and commit suicide you would go to hell. The Church has softened its stance after long years of study due to the idea that nobody knows what the last thoughts are prior to death. Did the person repent in that last second? To my knowledge, with the exception of Judas and even then I have not seen it in official writing, the Church has never made any claim for an individual judgment. We just do not know.
Also, it is now recognized that we do not know the mental state of the one who commits suicide. There is often lack of full knowledge and free consent which are required for it to be a mortal sin.

In Crossing the Threshold of Hope, Pope John Paul II states that we cannot know Judas’ fate for sure. Though he notes that Jesus’ statement that it would have been better for him to never have been born is not encouraging. Be aware that his statements in that book are in his capacity as a learned theologian, not Papal teachings.
 
One aspect of suicide that we cannot judge is the person’s state of mind when attempting suicide. As suicide is such a violent act directed at one’s self, it is highly possible that a person committing suicide may not be in the right state of mind, thus no full and conscious consent to the act. Therefore it is not a mortal sin.

The Church teaches that we shouldn’t be quick to judge if one commits suicide that they are surely in hell. Only Jesus can judge, and He has full knowledge of one person’s state of mind.
 
Just in case anyone missed it:
From the CCC:

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

It then goes on to say…

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law. Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
 
Not for us to say.

Suicide

2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
 
Thank you for all the replys!

I have sent my friend info about what the CCC says about this is issue. One of her other main concerns is if the Church changed is stance on this issue with regards in burrying someone who has committed suicide, what other stuff is the RC Church going to change it’s view on. I don’t really know how to answer this other then what you have said about the Church having better knowledge from studies on suicide and a person mental state.

I don’t know why the RC Church made that stance in the first place about not burying someone who has committed suicide when they have always held that they can not judge a person soul??

I’m pretty sure I heard a person call Catholic Answers awhile back saying a similar thing where they left the Church because they would not bury their family member because of suicide. Sad that the Church would have lost people because of this problem.
 
As somebody who has attempted suicide this topic is very personal. And of course, admitting it on the internet has its risks.

Theologically speaking, we know that for a mortal sin to occur there must be three things:
  1. Grave matter.
  2. Full knowledge
  3. Deliberate consent.
If one or more of these is missing, the sin is not mortal but venial. It still offends God and that should not be forgotten. One time I went to confession with a wise priest who told me that it was not I who decided whether or not a sin is mortal but the Lord. This should comfort those mourning; we know that Jesus is Mercy Incarnate. *But it also should be a warning to those who are on the brink of suicide that they must obey the fifth commandment. *They have an obligation, if they can, to seek Psychiatric treatment, and those around them are obliged to help in this process. If need be, one can call 911 or a crisis line for assistance.

It is important to remember that people attempt suicide for many reasons: some are worse, (for example, to suicide in order to influence minors that it is ok), some are gravely immoral, but many are a result of a serious mental illness. Medication and therapy can help those struggling with a mental illness but they may still get sick in high stress situations. Schizophrenia, Bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder frequently result in suicide. This is a reality that friends and family need to face.

It still must be remembered that both suicide and contemplating suicide are sinful. With deliberate knowledge and full consent it is a mortal sin and punished by eternal damnation. Even without full knowledge and consent, it is a sin, and a horrible one that harms the soul greatly, and Catholic psychiatric patients should be given the opportunity to and encouraged to receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation. The Sacrament can do wonders for the patient: it can assure him of the love that God has for him, it will reassure him of the love that the Church bears him, it will give him the grace that he needs to overcome such a great sin and temptation, but most of all it will grant him forgiveness of his sins. He should be encouraged to pray.

We do not know what happens to persons who take their own lives. But we do know that suicide is a sin; a potentially mortal one at that. Perhaps God has mercy on some who suicide but perhaps - and hopefully not, some lose their souls. For this reason, we should not treat the matter lightly; indeed, a mentally ill person in this kind of situation needs psychiatric help and if it is our responsibility we need to connect them with services. But it is not just psychiatric help: there is a need for spiritual help as well. A suicidal person should be, when appropriate, be reminded both of God’s love, and God’s 5th Commandment.

Suicide is an intrinsic evil, never justified. While God may have mercy on some who suicide, it is a sin against the Holy Ghost to presume on God’s mercy. A suicidal person has the obligation to seek Psychiatric help and comply with it to the best of their ability. I do understand there can be mitigating circumstances, but again, a sin is a sin.

Historically, individuals who suicided were denied Catholic burial because suicide is such an evil act. As the Church began to discover that mental illness can be the cause of suicide this practice ceased to be as common. But the Church has not thus rendered suicide as an acceptable moral decision for anyone to make.

God bless,
Peter
 
I think those who chose euthanasia [suicide] as a free and preferred option may well be refused a Catholic funeral and burial.

I think there was a case a year or so ago where this occurred, in Italy I think.
 
I recall the movie star Marilyn Munroe committing suicide some decades ago. She committed suicide by taking too many pills in the bedroom of her mansion. A priest in the public eye explained that we actually do not know her state of mind when she died. And we don’t. For a mortal sin you have to give your full consent and be well aware of what you are doing. So we cannot know she was guilty of a mortal sin when she died.
To tell the truth, the Church has never said anyone is in hell. You can look far and wide and never find that the Church has said by name that such and such a person is in hell.
 
I recall the movie star Marilyn Munroe committing suicide some decades ago. She committed suicide by taking too many pills in the bedroom of her mansion. A priest in the public eye explained that we actually do not know her state of mind when she died. And we don’t. For a mortal sin you have to give your full consent and be well aware of what you are doing. So we cannot know she was guilty of a mortal sin when she died.
To tell the truth, the Church has never said anyone is in hell. You can look far and wide and never find that the Church has said by name that such and such a person is in hell.
Unless there is a suicide note, there is a reasonable possibility that an OD on sleeping pills is accidental. If one is taking sleeping pills it is important to put them away in a distant place after taking the prescribed dose. Otherwise, one may wake up and, in a half asleep state forgetting that they have been taken, take more.
 
In the case of Marilyn Munroe’s suicide, she could well have repented of what she was doing between the time she took the pills and the time she died. There is no way we can be sure of someone’s state at the moment they die.
Unless there is a suicide note, there is a reasonable possibility that an OD on sleeping pills is accidental. If one is taking sleeping pills it is important to put them away in a distant place after taking the prescribed dose. Otherwise, one may wake up and, in a half asleep state forgetting that they have been taken, take more.
 
Anyone that commits suicide is not right in the head. Obviously they can’t comprehend the gravity of the situation.
 
Anyone that commits suicide is not right in the head. Obviously they can’t comprehend the gravity of the situation.
BingBang has a good point here.

See, culpability is lessened is circumstances described by the catchism (as other posters have pointed out) and I can say that as someone who has been on the brink of taking their own life – you are not in your right mind at all. I praise God that I didn’t do it, and that I have found and treated the underlying problem…but not all are so fotunate.

I would make the argument that 99% of the time that someone kills themselves due to depression or similar mental issues (as is typical in suicide cases) culpability is extremely lessened. Almost to the point that suicide is the death blow of the disease itself, not a fault of the person afflicted – but that is not my call. It’s God’s call, and it is only his judgement to make. To be truly honest, no one knows any better the state of someone’s salvation whether it was a faithful person who died of lung cancer, or a faithful person who committed suicide. I think what the priest did in the given circumstance was horrifically inappropriate.
 
As somebody who has attempted suicide this topic is very personal. And of course, admitting it on the internet has its risks.

Theologically speaking, we know that for a mortal sin to occur there must be three things:
  1. Grave matter.
  2. Full knowledge
  3. Deliberate consent.
If one or more of these is missing, the sin is not mortal but venial. It still offends God and that should not be forgotten. One time I went to confession with a wise priest who told me that it was not I who decided whether or not a sin is mortal but the Lord. This should comfort those mourning; we know that Jesus is Mercy Incarnate. *But it also should be a warning to those who are on the brink of suicide that they must obey the fifth commandment. *They have an obligation, if they can, to seek Psychiatric treatment, and those around them are obliged to help in this process. If need be, one can call 911 or a crisis line for assistance.

It is important to remember that people attempt suicide for many reasons: some are worse, (for example, to suicide in order to influence minors that it is ok), some are gravely immoral, but many are a result of a serious mental illness. Medication and therapy can help those struggling with a mental illness but they may still get sick in high stress situations. Schizophrenia, Bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder frequently result in suicide. This is a reality that friends and family need to face.

It still must be remembered that both suicide and contemplating suicide are sinful. With deliberate knowledge and full consent it is a mortal sin and punished by eternal damnation. Even without full knowledge and consent, it is a sin, and a horrible one that harms the soul greatly, and Catholic psychiatric patients should be given the opportunity to and encouraged to receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation. The Sacrament can do wonders for the patient: it can assure him of the love that God has for him, it will reassure him of the love that the Church bears him, it will give him the grace that he needs to overcome such a great sin and temptation, but most of all it will grant him forgiveness of his sins. He should be encouraged to pray.

We do not know what happens to persons who take their own lives. But we do know that suicide is a sin; a potentially mortal one at that. Perhaps God has mercy on some who suicide but perhaps - and hopefully not, some lose their souls. For this reason, we should not treat the matter lightly; indeed, a mentally ill person in this kind of situation needs psychiatric help and if it is our responsibility we need to connect them with services. But it is not just psychiatric help: there is a need for spiritual help as well. A suicidal person should be, when appropriate, be reminded both of God’s love, and God’s 5th Commandment.

Suicide is an intrinsic evil, never justified. While God may have mercy on some who suicide, it is a sin against the Holy Ghost to presume on God’s mercy. A suicidal person has the obligation to seek Psychiatric help and comply with it to the best of their ability. I do understand there can be mitigating circumstances, but again, a sin is a sin.

Historically, individuals who suicided were denied Catholic burial because suicide is such an evil act. As the Church began to discover that mental illness can be the cause of suicide this practice ceased to be as common. But the Church has not thus rendered suicide as an acceptable moral decision for anyone to make.

God bless,
Peter
Peter,
Thank you for this response. I returned to the church 15 mos. ago after a 45 year
absence. I’m 62 with cesspool baggage. I’ve tried suicide 3 times with the 3rd time
being after I returned to the church. I am very bipolar but didn’t get my dianosis
until my 50’s. It will not happen again. I really really am glad you wrote this.
Thanks,
Lorraine
 
Thank you Peter!

That was very well written. I will send this to my friend to look over. Hopefully this will help give herthe insight to why the Priest did what he did, and hope & pray that she and her family will return back home to the Catholic Church.

I have had family members commit this devasting act, and hope and pray for their souls to be with our Lord. Like you Peter and other posters have said we don’t know what the mindset was, but for sure there was something severly wrong to make such a drastic ending of their life.

I’m am glad you are still hear with us Lorraine, and I will pray for you as this appears to be a heavey cross you are carrying. May God bless you and help you with your struggles Lorraine, and welcome back home. I’m a new Catholic as of Easter 2006 too. 🙂

take care everyone,
Chris
 
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