Do the atoms/molecules of the Host change/get replaced?

[vz71]

It seems that I read that no measurable changes occur but then I saw an advertisement on a book that states that there are measurable proof of molecular changes that can be scientifically studied. I am hoping someone else will comment on that and I will see if I can find that reference. I will be eager to see what others say.

If the accidental properties remain the same as bread and wine, then I imagine they would appear the same no matter how closely you looked at them.

Whether it be with a magnifying glass, a microscope, or even an electron microscope.

 

[KathleenGee]

Regarding the comment of ‘millions’ of reincarnations…

We believe in only One Lord Jesus Christ…the One Lord Who stands present at the High Altar of God Most High in heaven…

Recall the gifts of Melchizedek…after battle, he presented the ordinary gifts of bread and wine vs a sacrificial, bloody sacrificial feast…and prophecized the one, perfect sacrifice to come.

Jesus did not provide the meat of a sacrificial lamb at the Last Supper. He Himself was to be come the One, Bloody Sacrifice for the atonement of sin…and new life.

The coming, perfect one sacrifice – in form as nourishment is provided us in precursors in the Old Testament…manna from heaven to feed the Jews wandering in the desert for 40 years…and the 40 day lapse between the resurrection to Pentecost, – our food both Flesh and Spirit, in the Old Testament, the multiplication of bread and oil for the widow and her son who shared all the little they had with Ezekial, to the placement of Christ in an animal feeder in the manger at Bethlehem at his birth, to the Lord’s own miracles of feeding crowds of people with the multiplication of food…

God is outside of us. God is outside of space and time. His will alone of a simple ‘yes’ gives us life. The Divinity is the reality in the Eucharist that breaks the mystery of the limitations of our earthly life to become present to us.

We are nourished on the One Eucharist – One Bread, One Body…and again, we cannot understand the effects on the Body of Christ when we are in divisions from one another and cannot come in oneness with each other to the Banquet Table.

We have no idea how much this fracture affects our witness of the One Lord to the world.

 

[curlycool89]

This question seems scientific. I’m not a scientist, I don’t know that atoms and molecules are not “substance” (Are they not extant? Realities? Beings?).

We need to make an important distinction here.

When we speak of substances and accidents (the substance changes, the accidents remain the same) we’re speaking in a metaphysical sense (specifically Aristotelian metaphysics). Molecules and atoms are part of the scientific branch of physics, and one that has only really been developed in the past 200 years.

So the concepts might not line up perfectly.

After the consecration, the bread and wine are still bread and wine, yet they are also the Body and Blood.

Actually it is that they are (substance) the Body and Blood, but they look and taste (accidents) like bread and wine.

Maybe this is why the Orthodox just refer to it as “Mystery”.

Sometimes I wish we just would.

If the accidental properties remain the same as bread and wine, then I imagine they would appear the same no matter how closely you looked at them.

Whether it be with a magnifying glass, a microscope, or even an electron microscope.

Thats what I think too. If someone where to take a consecrated host and look at it under a microscope, I bet the structure would be identical to that of bread. And that wouldn’t shake my faith at all.

That’s one of the reasons we say that it’s only by Faith that we know it is Jesus (and the fact that He told us so).

 

[TrueLight]

In light of this thread, what do you all think of the Lanciano miracle.

Although it hasn’t technically been pronounced a miracle right?

 

[Filii_Dei]

In light of this thread, what $o you all think of the Lanciano miracle.

Although it hasn’t technically been pronounced a miracle right?

Fascinating, but I personally wouldn’t pin my faith on it. Miracles are miracles, and there are no rules to dictate what is possible in a miracle. Whether this is real is better left for the Magisterium and scientific experts to determine, but I believe that the consecration of the Body and Blood of our Lord is a big enough miracle for me.

 

[clem456]

In light of this thread, what do you all think of the Lanciano miracle.

Although it hasn’t technically been pronounced a miracle right?

In the article I find it ironic that
““A group of rationalists complained about the matter in 2008, and called on authorities to investigate if a **murder or other crime **was involved if human flesh was indeed found on the wafer.””

Indeed it was.

 

[vz71]

In light of this thread, what do you all think of the Lanciano miracle.
Although it hasn’t technically been pronounced a miracle right?

Not everyone is miraculously cured that is afflicted.

Not everyone that was around when Christ walked the earth was healed.

God dispenses his miracles as he sees fit.

The miracle of the Eucharist is still a miracle whether or not the accidentals remain the same.