Do traditional parishes have Pre- Cana?

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Random question that popped in my mind, the answer is of no gravity to me.

Do traditional (FSSP, ICKSP, even SSPX) parishes have the normally required 6 month wait for a couple ot get marrried, with substantial time for premarital counseling and inventories to take place? Or with these parishes typically being more marriage minded, the clergy kinda figure the couple to be wed has done a more thorough courtship and dicernment, and therfore the time gap from the proposal to marriage can be shortend?
 
I believe these parishes, although I’m not sure about the SSPX, offer this or something else. I can assure that these priests know what they are doing as regards marriage.
 
They certainly do offer marriage prep.

These priests prepare their parishioners for ALL sacraments.
 
Parishes in communion with the diocese must abide by the diocese an rules for prefs a. Usually a six month wait and some kind of prep. No priest should assume that a couple has completely prepared themselves.
The SSPX does not have faculties to offer the sacrament of marriage so no one should be getting married by a SSPX priest.
 
We’re traditional and you can’t get married without it.
 
Mrs_Sally said:
Parishes in communion with the diocese must abide by the diocese an rules for prefs a. Usually a six month wait and some kind of prep. No priest should assume that a couple has completely prepared themselves.
The SSPX does not have faculties to offer the sacrament of marriage so no one should be getting married by a SSPX priest.
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The proper ministers of matrimony are those to be married. Obviously as SSPX are a schismatic group they can’t serve as witnesses of the church, but even a protestant marriage is usually valid.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
The proper ministers of matrimony are those to be married. Obviously as SSPX are a schismatic group they can’t serve as witnesses of the church, but even a protestant marriage is usually valid.
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It’s true that a protestant marriage is considerd valid for protestants. But Catholics need to follow the Church’s rules and the Church has said that Catholics cannot marry validly in SSPX chapels.
 
Our FSSP parish requires six months. Priest meets more frequently with couple than most non-FSSP parishes.
 
Chatter163 said:
Our FSSP parish requires six months. Priest meets more frequently with couple than most non-FSSP parishes.
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From what I gather, the priests do the marriage prep with the couple privately. I’m not certain if it fulfills some diocese’s requirement to take a marriage prep course, so they may have to take a weekend pre-cana course just to jump through the hoops.
 
Mrs_Sally said:
It’s true that a protestant marriage is considerd valid for protestants. But Catholics need to follow the Church’s rules and the Church has said that Catholics cannot marry validly in SSPX chapels.
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The term is licitly. A catholic can actually perform the sacrament without a proper witness of the church present, and that would be valid, but it would also be against the law of the church and so would be illicit and sinful.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
The term is licitly. A catholic can actually perform the sacrament without a proper witness of the church present, and that would be valid, but it would also be against the law of the church and so would be illicit and sinful.
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Yes illicit is the correct term. Still if there are other Catholic Churches available the couple should marry there.
 
TrueLight said:
I did a random search on Marriage preparation and the FSSP and I found the Immaculate Conception Church in Omaha Nebraska, that has a note on their site stating:

I have no idea if they call it “Pre-Cana”.
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Awesome that your google search brought up our parish as the first choice. 😃

The archdiocese of Omaha also requires a Catholic “Engaged Encounter”, which is a weekend retreat with several couples led by a lay couple and priest presiding. Though there were many good things that came out of the one my wife and I went to, it basically turned into a “Why cohabitating is a good thing” during the Q&A, as most of the couples there lived together. Very disheartening, to say the least.

On top of the Engaged Encounter, we are also required to take a compatibility test (FOCCUS), which a pastor must then go over with each couple. This is required by the archdiocese, not by the FSSP, but since we are part of the diocese, we are required to partake in it. Not a big fan of this test either, but that’s for another post…
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
The term is licitly. A catholic can actually perform the sacrament without a proper witness of the church present, and that would be valid, but it would also be against the law of the church and so would be illicit and sinful.
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A Catholic must be married according to the laws of the church for validity, unless proper dispensation has been received from the Bishop.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
The term is licitly. A catholic can actually perform the sacrament without a proper witness of the church present, and that would be valid, but it would also be against the law of the church and so would be illicit and sinful.
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This is not correct. Such an attempt results in an invalid, not merely an illicit, marriage.
 
I think a distinction needs to be made here. “Pre Cana” is not a generic term for marriage preparation. It is a specific marriage preparation course.

As is Engaged Encounter. As is the program my diocese put together. Whether or not any/all of these programs, FOCCUS, or any other assessment is used, or any other requirement comes under the discretion of the bishop (Can 1064).

Canon Law calls for preparation for marriage and investigation of freedom to marry:

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3W.HTM

So, dependning upon what is established locally the preparation may take a lot of different forms. So, “traditional parishes” will have some sort of marriage preparation, because it is required by canon law. Whatever is established by the bishop or delegated to the priest may be employed. It does not have to be a specific program. For example, as I mentioned, our diocese has developed its own, which all parishes must use.
 
1ke said:
I think a distinction needs to be made here. “Pre Cana” is not a generic term for marriage preparation.
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I actually thought “Pre-Cana” was a generic term.

Thanks for the clarification!
 
Yep, my fiancé and I are members of an FSSP parish. We just schedule times with the priest that is marrying us and meet with him.
 
Rha_hea said:
Yep, my fiancé and I are members of an FSSP parish. We just schedule times with the priest that is marrying us and meet with him.
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This actually makes more sense to me than these weekend courses. Whenever my friends have gone to a weekend marriage prep course, they’ve made sure to give frequent Facebook Status updates which clearly indicated that they took the course as being a(n):
  • Waste of time
  • Complete joke
  • insert sarcastic comment here
 
Deo_Gratias42 said:
This actually makes more sense to me than these weekend courses. Whenever my friends have gone to a weekend marriage prep course, they’ve made sure to give frequent Facebook Status updates which clearly indicated that they took the course as being a(n):
  • Waste of time
  • Complete joke
  • insert sarcastic comment here
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Perhaps your friends aren’t paying enough attention if they have time for frequent status updates. :rolleyes:

I hope you are praying for all those couples.
 
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