Do trickle-down economic theories work?

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Who’s fault is that, Robert?

Why are they starving?

What are you, ROBERT SOCK, doing about it…personally? Tell me and I’ll join you.
Just because Robert has a conscience and you obviously don’t, is no reason to belittle him. They are starving because nobody gives a damn. I know you don’t. You only care about the rights of the fabulously wealthy.:rolleyes:
 
Just because Robert has a conscience and you obviously don’t, is no reason to belittle him. They are starving because nobody gives a damn. I know you don’t. You only care about the rights of the fabulously wealthy.:rolleyes:
Thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut, Christine.

Robert and I have a sort of ongoing relationship here on the forum. You wouldn’t know that so I will excuse your impertinence and disparaging personal remarks this time.
 
Yes they were…

Were any of the folks in your photos gathered up in herds and FORCED to do what they are doing?? You’re attempting to defend child labor?

Whatever the the people in the photos were earning was better than the alternatives: starvation, malnutrition, prostitution, begging and stealing.The alterative was playing, and going to school which is what children should do.

People left farms in droves to find work in factories in those days. They were happy to earn a living. Kids working in factories faced worse conditions on the farm. Again, you’re defending child labor?

It was the increased productivity per adult worker brought about by the Free Market that eliminated child labor.

Although children had been servants and apprentices throughout most of human history, child labor reached new extremes during the Industrial Revolution. Children often worked long hours in dangerous factory conditions for very little money. Children were useful as laborers because their size allowed them to move in small spaces in factories or mines where adults couldn’t fit, children were easier to manage and control and perhaps most importantly, children could be paid less than adults. Child laborers often worked to help support their families, but were forced to forgo an education. Nineteenth century reformers and labor organizers sought to restrict child labor and improve working conditions, but it took a market crash to finally sway public opinion. During the Great Depression, Americans wanted all available jobs to go to adults rather than children.
history.com/topics/child-labor
Zoltan what are you thinking?
 
Excuse me Mickey while I jump in here. Your mention of “defenders of the wealthy” caught my interest.

Not to get to far off the topic of the thread but you might find this an interesting argument…re. “taxes on the workers as opposed to the wealthy”

In a spirit of fairness, I propose that everyone be allowed to vote in accordance with their taxes. In other words: “one vote for every dollar paid in taxes”. 👍

Since history teaches us that all the great Democracies collapsed as soon as people realized that they could vote themselves money from the government…I think my “one vote for every dollar paid in taxes” idea would be a great way to prolong our way of life.

Oh sure, the wealthy would have more votes than the workers, but what’s wrong with that? The wealthy have a greater interest in government and a lot more to lose.

When voting, the wealthy would always have the worker’s best interests in mind. The dependent class, of course, would have no vote (they don’t pay taxes). But that would be a good thing, also. They could not vote for more welfare. Thus making themselves productive and rising above poverty.
I wonder if the Wealthy are good to eat.😃
 
Zoltan what are you thinking?
Zoltan thinks the truth…

How Capitalism Saved America: The Untold History of Our Country, from the Pilgrims to the Present by Thomas DiLorenzo…

…factually refutes everything you have posted.

I highly recommend the book for you, and any scholar who is interested in truth vs. revisionist history.
 
I do not just pray, but I also complain for having been stuck in this miserable and corrupt world! I note all the pain and suffering, and I plead: “Get me outa here!!!”

"The death of the just: Death will reach everyone, the good and the bad; but the destiny of each one is quite different. The just man sees himself in this valley of tears as a prisoner, serving a very hard term. He considers himself a slave in this world, suffering an extremely distressing servitude. He regards himself a sailor caught in a horrible storm. And as death means an end of his confinement, an end of his slavery, and is the port of his salvation, he ceases not to cry with David, ‘Woe is me that my sojourning is prolonged!’ (Ps. 119:5)… He ceases not to ask with the Apostle’… Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? (Rom. 7:24)”
-The Golden Key to Heaven, by Saint Anthony Mary Claret

LOVE! ❤️
 
Just because Robert has a conscience and you obviously don’t, is no reason to belittle him. They are starving because nobody gives a damn. I know you don’t. You only care about the rights of the fabulously wealthy.:rolleyes:
Thank you, Christine!!!

LOVE! ❤️
 
Zoltan thinks the truth…

How Capitalism Saved America: The Untold History of Our Country, from the Pilgrims to the Present by Thomas DiLorenzo…

…factually refutes everything you have posted. This book by a right-wing capitalist proves the myth of child labor is a hoax?

I highly recommend the book for you, and any scholar who is interested in truth vs. revisionist history. All history written by man is revisionist.
Zoltan you must be kidding when you post these things. There is no other explanation for you posting them. Certainly you know that anything associated with the “Mises Institute” carries a heavy Libertarian stain.

For those who adhere to any particular school of thought. I would like to point out that not everything is in books. Nor can everything be measured, and categorized. When you put on the blinders of doctrine you eventually become blind to all that is real.

ATB
 
Certainly you know that anything associated with the “Mises Institute” carries a heavy Libertarian stain.
If you can’t trust writers who are libertarian, and you can’t trust writers who are liberal, then just who can you trust?
 
I do not just pray, but I also complain for having been stuck in this miserable and corrupt world! I note all the pain and suffering, and I plead: “Get me outa here!!!”
This is another area where we differ, Robert.

I thank God every morning for another day. I cherish His beautiful sunrises and sunsets. I thank Him for friends and new friends I may meet. I’m not getting any younger and some things don’t work as well as they should, but I am grateful for the health I have. I look forward to doing something new or learning something everyday.

I’ve been around this old world a few times and seen misery. I’ve been involved in death and destruction. But God never promised us a “rose garden”. With His help I move on. Sure there are bad things out there, but there is an awful lot of good.

Being as caring and compassionate as you are is a wonderful thing. But, come on Robert…“illegitimus non carborundum” 🙂
 
Zoltan you must be kidding when you post these things. There is no other explanation for you posting them. Certainly you know that anything associated with the “Mises Institute” carries a heavy Libertarian stain.

ATB
It’s true, Micky, I do like to kid around. Sometimes I forget to include a little smile face and sometimes I forget to use the “sarcastic font” My bad!

In this case, I am serious. I posted what I posted to correct misconceptions about our economic system and the history of our country.

I am a Conservative. I think Libertarians are wacko…but I don’t “shoot the messenger”.
I read your entire article (history.com/topics/child-labor) I don’t care if the website is run by communists or liberals. I found the information to be inaccurate and posted a rebuttal.

If you go back to the newspapers of the day, you find that the only complaints about child labor came from labor unions. (Because the kids were taking union member’s jobs) There were no complaints from parents or the kids themselves. Makes one think…
For those who adhere to any particular school of thought. I would like to point out that not everything is in books. Nor can everything be measured, and categorized. When you put on the blinders of doctrine you eventually become blind to all that is real.
I could not agree with you more…

I hope you take that advice also.
 
Yes they were…

Were any of the folks in your photos gathered up in herds and FORCED to do what they are doing??

Whatever the the people in the photos were earning was better than the alternatives: starvation, malnutrition, prostitution, begging and stealing.

People left farms in droves to find work in factories in those days. They were happy to earn a living. Kids working in factories faced worse conditions on the farm.

It was the increased productivity per adult worker brought about by the Free Market that eliminated child labor.
I read an interesting book entitled “City of Joy”, written by a western doctor who spent some years in the slums of Calcutta. Massively worse living conditions than 19th century American conditions. And yet, the people working in those slums of Calcutta, some of whom slept on the street, were there in order to gain a better living than they had in the countryside.

And miserable as their conditions are, they seem, as he recounts it, much happier than middle class and upper class westerners who whine about how terrible the conditions of the (immeasurably better off) American poor are.
 
I read an interesting book entitled “City of Joy”, written by a western doctor who spent some years in the slums of Calcutta. Massively worse living conditions than 19th century American conditions. And yet, the people working in those slums of Calcutta, some of whom slept on the street, were there in order to gain a better living than they had in the countryside.

And miserable as their conditions are, they seem, as he recounts it, much happier than middle class and upper class westerners who whine about how terrible the conditions of the (immeasurably better off) American poor are.
As I mentioned elsewhere, those living in poverty in America very often experience great stress, pain and suffering as a result of not being able to make ends meet. It’s needless suffering that increasing the minimum wage would greatly help alleviate.

LOVE! ❤️
 
As I mentioned elsewhere, those living in poverty in America very often experience great stress, pain and suffering as a result of not being able to make ends meet. It’s needless suffering that increasing the minimum wage would greatly help alleviate.

LOVE! ❤️
Opinions vary as to whether it would help or hurt. It’s far from a certainty that it would be helpful to poor people.

Possibly I might live in an exceptional area, but the people around here who undergo pain and suffering due to financial hardship are almost exclusively those who have drug habits.
 
Opinions vary as to whether it would help or hurt. It’s far from a certainty that it would be helpful to poor people.

Possibly I might live in an exceptional area, but the people around here who undergo pain and suffering due to financial hardship are almost exclusively those who have drug habits.
I can see where one needs to assess the person’s character. Giving people money to purchase drugs or excessive alcohol is a bad idea. But the person living in poverty with good character deserves much help.

LOVE! ❤️
 
I can see where one needs to assess the person’s character. Giving people money to purchase drugs or excessive alcohol is a bad idea. But the person living in poverty with good character deserves much help.

LOVE! ❤️
Unfortunately, the ones who suffer most are the children of the dopers.
 
I read an interesting book entitled “City of Joy”, written by a western doctor who spent some years in the slums of Calcutta. Massively worse living conditions than 19th century American conditions. And yet, the people working in those slums of Calcutta, some of whom slept on the street, were there in order to gain a better living than they had in the countryside.

And miserable as their conditions are, they seem, as he recounts it, much happier than middle class and upper class westerners who whine about how terrible the conditions of the (immeasurably better off) American poor are.
Ridge?
 
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