Do Walgreens and Wal-Mart violate the religious liberty rights of Catholics by enabling Catholics to use their own money for sinful purposes in buying

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Why is there a such a huge and angry campaign against the Federal Government, but not similar huge and angry uproar against Wal-Mart and Walgreens? Why is no one suing Walgreens and Wal-Mart? Why is no one picketing Walgreens and Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart and Walgreens are taking the money of Catholics and using that money to distribute immoral contraceptives. Why isn’t that an outrage?

Even more, why no campaign to criminalize contraceptive production and sale in general in the USA. For most of USA history, they were illegal.

Is this current fervent attack on the current federal government leaders just politics, and not a sincere concern about sin at all?
 
There’s a big difference between “enabling” and “forcing”. Walmart ENABLES people to commit evil by purchasing and using contraception. The Obama administration FORCES catholic institutions and employees to commit evil by paying for contraception through their health insurance.
 
Bartolome_Casas said:
Why is there a such a huge and angry campaign against the Federal Government, but not similar huge and angry uproar against Wal-Mart and Walgreens? Why is no one suing Walgreens and Wal-Mart? Why is no one picketing Walgreens and Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart and Walgreens are taking the money of Catholics and using that money to distribute immoral contraceptives. Why isn’t that an outrage?

Even more, why no campaign to criminalize contraceptive production and sale in general in the USA. For most of USA history, they were illegal.

Is this current fervent attack on the current federal government leaders just politics, and not a sincere concern about sin at all?
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I don’t understand this at all. On the one-hand its claimed that the Bishops overwhelming approve of the Affordable Healthcare Act or at least the principles of it. Then in the same breath they are accused of being far-right crazies who only oppose the contraceptive mandate because they hate the healthcare act.

In terms of the Wal-mart question there is a difference between knowingly driving your friend to pick up contraceptives somewhere and driving your friend somewhere with no prior knowledge that they were going to buy contraceptives and you were aiding them.

Its the difference between giving someone $200 to do whatever they want with and giving them $200 to go spend on getting an abortion.
 
The question makes no sense. Obviously, these stores aren’t forcing anyone to purchase the contraceptives. In this scenario, the unfaithful Catholics are purchasing them for themself, they aren’t being forced to pay for others to use them. While some forms of contraception should most definately be made illegal for both moral and health reasons, the actual medicines used are not immoral in and of themselves. For example, a woman might be perscribed those medications for endomitriosis or other disorders not having to do with contraception.
 
Do you live under a bridge or something?

No one’s forcing anyone to buy the stuff.
 
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Even more, why no campaign to criminalize contraceptive production and sale in general in the USA. For most of USA history, they were illegal.
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Just as Catholics do not wish to have the government trample on our 1st Amendment rights, I’m sure we as Catholics do not wish to also trample on those same rights.

If we want others to respect our beliefs, then we must also respect others.
 
The Catholic Church says that moral law (sometimes called natural law) is universal and not relative.

The Catholic Church says that Catholics have a duty to work to institute just and moral laws in all nations. This is why Catholic are urged to vote against gay marriage and against legal abortion.

Thus, it seems inescapable that every Catholic in the USA is duty bound to favor the criminalization of the production and sale of contraceptives in the USA, even if Protestants, Jews, secularists, and others object and see this is unjust. Yet, I hear no one in the camp of outraged Catholics calling for that.

Contraceptives were illegal in many states in the USA until the famous “Griswald” case in the US Supreme Court (in the 1960s, I think)

So, it seems that Catholic should get organized to strike down all the laws allowing contraceptives in the USA. This campaign against an insurance mandate concerning contraceptives seems tiny and insignificant in comparison.

Whether the over 90% of Catholics using contraceptives buy their contraceptives out of pocket at full price, or whether they only pay a co-pay as part of an insurance program, seems to have only a very tiny sliver of moral significance.

I think some people are justified in wondering if the real purpose of all the much of the current outrage being whipped up by pundits against that insurance mandate is just to galvanize political opposition against national USA leaders who oppose the radical laissez-faire economic policies.
 
Bartolome_Casas said:
Why is there a such a huge and angry campaign against the Federal Government, but not similar huge and angry uproar against Wal-Mart and Walgreens? Why is no one suing Walgreens and Wal-Mart? Why is no one picketing Walgreens and Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart and Walgreens are taking the money of Catholics and using that money to distribute immoral contraceptives. Why isn’t that an outrage?

Even more, why no campaign to criminalize contraceptive production and sale in general in the USA. For most of USA history, they were illegal.

Is this current fervent attack on the current federal government leaders just politics, and not a sincere concern about sin at all?
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A store can sell what it wants. You do not have to go to the store and you don’t have to buy anything. Our government, cannot dictate doctrine to the Church.

It’s about true separation of Church and state and not about the “sin” of contraception.

See Timothy Cardinal Dolan’s commentary on why Catholics must band together on the matter of separation of Church and state.

Timothy Cardinal Dolan

There can be no criminalization of contraception; the Court has already decided that (decades ago) and it’s a separate issue entirely. This is not what the Church is fighting for. The issue here is can the the U.S. government force the Church to do something and support something that is against Church teaching?
 
Bartolome_Casas said:
The Catholic Church says that moral law (sometimes called natural law) is universal and not relative.

The Catholic Church says that Catholics have a duty to work to institute just and moral laws in all nations. This is why Catholic are urged to vote against gay marriage and against legal abortion.

Thus, it seems inescapable that every Catholic in the USA is duty bound to favor the criminalization of the production and sale of contraceptives in the USA, even if Protestants, Jews, secularists, and others object and see this is unjust. Yet, I hear no one in the camp of outraged Catholics calling for that.

Contraceptives were illegal in many states in the USA until the famous “Griswald” case in the US Supreme Court (in the 1960s, I think)

So, it seems that Catholic should get organized to strike down all the laws allowing contraceptives in the USA. This campaign against an insurance mandate concerning contraceptives seems tiny and insignificant in comparison.

Whether the over 90% of Catholics using contraceptives buy their contraceptives out of pocket at full price, or whether they only pay a co-pay as part of an insurance program, seems to have only a very tiny sliver of moral significance.

I think some people are justified in wondering if the real purpose of all the much of the current outrage being whipped up by pundits against that insurance mandate is just to galvanize political opposition against national USA leaders who oppose the radical laissez-faire economic policies.
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You miss the point entirely. While in the ideal world the Catholic Church would seek to change everyone’s hearts on contraception, that’s not the way it goes in this country. Griswold v. Connecticut (1965) is definitive. The Catholic Church cannot change Supreme Court decisons – only the USSC can do that or Congress can legislate.

What the Church is fighting for is for the freedom not to be forced to go against Doctrine. As the Church CANNOT overturn Griswold – the Government cannot overturn the Magisterium.

You do the Church a great disservice by not seeing the distinction. Even a Catholic who uses contraception should be able to see the distinction between their personal “sin” and a government which seeks to dictate Church doctrine entirely on the subject and support religious freedom and the proposition that the government cannot entangle itself in religion.

Read Thomas Jefferson on religious freedom.

Thomas Jefferson
 
Leegal said:
There can be no criminalization of contraception; the Court has already decided that (decades ago)…
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The U.S Supreme Court also declared that the Constitution forbids the criminalization of:

–Abortion
–Sodomy
–Pornography (most of it)
–Fully nude strip clubs (as long as they don’t serve alcohol)
–Teaching Darwinism in the schools.

YET, of course, WE AMERICANS can outlaw whatever we want. ALL those things WERE illegal for many decades in the past in the USA. They can be illegal again.

We know by now that the “declarations” of the Supreme Court are just political decisions and don’t really have any more moral authority than a decision by the U.S. Congress or a decision of the Governor of Texas.

But no matter what these sinful, worldly governments do, we can be obedience subjects to the true government, the Government of God under the rulership of King Jesus. That’s all being a Catholic is really about. Holiness. How and whether we engaged in worldly politics is not how we will be judged at the end of this worldly life, according to our Catholic Faith.
 
Walmart and Walgreens cannot levy fines and arrest a Dominican Sister or a Benedictine Monk not providing condoms and vasectomies to their employees.

-Tim-
 
It’s up to the person what they do with there money they do not have to buy things.
 
Bartolome, what is your angle here?

First of all, what does Wal-Mart or Walgreens have to do with anything? In what respect are they “taking the money of Catholics and using that money to distribute immoral contraceptives”? Do you mean they are taking the money which individual Catholics freely elect to give them in exchange for contraceptives? If so, surely you don’t think there’s an equivalency between individual Catholics freely choosing to violate the Church’s teachings and the state forcibly compelling the institutional Church to act contrary to its own teachings!

Second, are you actually endorsing confessionalism? I mean I’m on board with it (have argued for it repeatedly here at CAF), but are you saying this is something you’re comfortable with? If so, why are you questioning the bishops’ motives? Their objecting to the mandate is a good sign, not a bad one – it means they are awakening to the duties they’ve neglected for some time.

You should be more cautious with your posts; frankly, they are only semi-coherent and they border on scandal. The bishops are your shepherds, you owe them gratitude and obedience, not accusations and calumnies.
 
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