Do we as Catholics worship Mary

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ibkc said:
Jesus called Simon bar Jona a word which means “rock.” Aramaic was the common language of Palestine 2,000 years ago. Jesus spoke Aramaic. Therefore the word would have been “Kepha.” If you are going to argue otherwise, then you are calling into question the inerrancy of Scripture.
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Youre quibllling over what was written down, whether this was a word Jesus ACTUALLY said is an unknown.
 
thecoach said:
Youre quibllling over what was written down, whether this was a word Jesus ACTUALLY said is an unknown.
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Again, is the Bible inerrant or is it not? Are you saying that we cannot trust that it describes actual events, or that it describes them accurately? Are you saying it is just as possible that Jesus named Simon bar Jona something like “cuttlefish” or “spidermonkey” as it is that he named him “Kepha”?
 
jttierney1 said:
Why do non-catholics think we Catholics worship Mary?
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Ummmm, ?because most of them merely “parrot” what some other ill-informed individual “told” them? Ummmm, out of “self-righteous indignation” born of false premises?

Not trying to be unfriendly or anything…just dealing with truth and facts. My personal life’s experiences have proven to me that people that make those allegations have virtually no “actual” factual proofs to support them… Its simply that way…sadly as well…😦
 
thecoach said:
Youre quibllling over what was written down, whether this was a word Jesus ACTUALLY said is an unknown.
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Tis not we who “quibble” over it…it is those who do not accept the truth and teachings of the Church that “quibble” over this issue.

The “Church”, the one true Church…has resolved that issue eons ago…we “do not quibble over it”…we “know what Jesus said”… in fact its in every Christian Bible…and they all say the same thing.

Odd, isn’t it…all the rife and strife raised by “anti-Catholics” over that passage in Matthew…and yet their own Bibles say the same as a Catholic Bible? If Christ “actually”, or possibly said something “different”…why don’t other Bibles say “differently”?

The answer is simple…y’all just don’t “get it”…(and that was said in the kindest way! 😃 )
 
RobHom said:
Ummmm, ?because most of them merely “parrot” what some other ill-informed individual “told” them? Ummmm, out of “self-righteous indignation” born of false premises?

Not trying to be unfriendly or anything…just dealing with truth and facts. My personal life’s experiences have proven to me that people that make those allegations have virtually no “actual” factual proofs to support them… Its simply that way…sadly as well…😦
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That, or maybe when your theologians throw the term co-redemptrix around.
 
RobHom said:
Tis not we who “quibble” over it…it is those who do not accept the truth and teachings of the Church that “quibble” over this issue.

The “Church”, the one true Church…has resolved that issue eons ago…we “do not quibble over it”…we “know what Jesus said”… in fact its in every Christian Bible…and they all say the same thing.

Odd, isn’t it…all the rife and strife raised by “anti-Catholics” over that passage in Matthew…and yet their own Bibles say the same as a Catholic Bible? If Christ “actually”, or possibly said something “different”…why don’t other Bibles say “differently”?

The answer is simple…y’all just don’t “get it”…(and that was said in the kindest way! 😃 )
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and again…its only ONE verse in four Gospels…kind of downplay sit a bit
 
thecoach said:
and again…its only ONE verse in four Gospels…kind of downplay sit a bit
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Really? According to whom? By what authority do you have to proclaim that parts of the Gospel are more accurate than others?
 
ibkc said:
Really? According to whom? By what authority do you have to proclaim that parts of the Gospel are more accurate than others?
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LOL…this is too funny. You cant of course answer that logically, so run and hide in the cape of some other “authority”. I think Im about done with this…I expected more sense. One VERY BRIEF reference and you build an empire, huh?
 
thecoach said:
LOL…this is too funny. You cant of course answer that logically, so run and hide in the cape of some other “authority”. I think Im about done with this…I expected more sense. One VERY BRIEF reference and you build an empire, huh?
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So, you are terminating the discussion?

You are in my prayers.
 
thecoach said:
That, or maybe when your theologians throw the term co-redemptrix around.
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I’m thinking that you probably even don’t know the proper way that is used either. You are probably thinking that means that we think that she is equal to, don’t you?😃
 
thecoach said:
What discussion? You dont want real discussion, you want me to agree to bow to Rome.
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😦 No. I want you to bare yourself to Christ Jesus, and confess that you allowed yourself to be misled and that you adore and love Him with all your heart, and regret how you have profaned Him.
 
ibkc said:
😦 No. I want you to bare yourself to Christ Jesus, and confess that you allowed yourself to be misled and that you adore and love Him with all your heart, and regret how you have profaned Him.
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I did nothing of the sort…I have borne myself to Christ…which is why I am free. You provide yet another example of equating an institution with God. Where have I profaned God? You utter BLASPHEMY here! It is indeed you who need to repent and figure out who it is you worship, or rather, who you are supposed to worship. I will surely pray for you.
 
allhers said:
I’m thinking that you probably even don’t know the proper way that is used either. You are probably thinking that means that we think that she is equal to, don’t you?😃
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This should be good…enlighten me…tell me what it means…and tell mw why so many theologians are against its use.
 
thecoach said:
This should be good…enlighten me…tell me what it means…and tell mw why so many theologians are against its use.
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Oh no you don’t buddy, you tell me what **you **think it means.

While you’re at it, you want to name some of those theologians you speak of, or give us some links to what they say in defense of what you say they are saying?
 
Maybe historical evidence can help provide some answers…

“The foundation of all our confidence is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary. God has committed to her the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will: That we obtain everything through Mary.” Pope Pius IX

Benedict XV, Inter Sodalicia, 1918: “To such extent did Mary suffer and almost die with her suffering and dying Son; to such extent did she surrender her maternal rights over her Son for: man’s salvation . . that we may rightly say she redeemed the human race together with Christ.”

Paul VI, Christi Matri. “The Church … been accustomed to have recourse to that most ready intercessor, her Mother Mary … For as St. Irenaeus says, she ‘has become the cause of salvation for the whole human race”

Pius IX, Ubi Primum, 1849: “For God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that THROUGH HER are obtained every hope, every grace, and ALL SALVATION. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary.”

Benedict XV, In a decree on Joan of Arc: “In every miracle we must recognize the mediation of Mary, through whom, according to God’s will, every grace and blessing comes to us.”

Want a more recent Pope?

We can truly say that the Marian dimension in the Catholic magisterium and apostolate has never been stronger than now, in the pontificate of Pope John Paul II. No other Pope has made so many pilgrimages to Marian sanctuaries throughout the world.

"Before John Paul II no Pope had devoted as much space and emphasis to Mary in both catechesis and liturgy. No other Pope has consecrated so many countries and continents to her care. In fact, after he recovered from the assassination attempt upon his life (May 13, 1981), John Paul II, following the indications of Our Lady of Fatima, dedicated the world of our times to the Immaculate Heart of Mary (March 25, 1984).

For more google his sermons on Mary.
 
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