Do we as Catholics worship Mary

[rinnie]

…and that the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. I believe one of the Popes ages ago said to someone who was telling him that the Catholic Church would be wiped off the face of the earth before long, …he replied, “We can’t even do that.”

Good one. I hope i didnt come on too strong. I just wish that if everyone really knew the truth and that the first bible was the Catholic bible they would see things in a different way. I understand that we may have been lucky and were told the truth right off,and many really dont know. I just wish they would check it out, thats all. Then they would never have any doubts about their faith. I want us all to come to Christ, but i cant see it possible if we dont want to obey his church. We can only have one Church. And i cant see how we can all come together if we want to see things our way. We dont have the gift of the Holy Spirit to teach, thats why God left us the Pope to teach us what he wants us to know. GOd Bless it was nice talking to ya. And Coach, and SS God Bless too and have a wonderful evening.

 

[MrS]

But you must remember SS we have never said that the Pope is perfect we just said when it comes to the word of God and scripture he is infallible. How do we know this, because this is what he said to his Apostles What my Father has given me I have given you. I will give you the words. And we can prove from Peter to the Pope today how that gift of the Holy Spirit has been handed down. And that is how Jesus gave them that Power before he left, now how could he give them that power and them not be able to hand it down also. They had the same power that the Father gave Jesus. And it is still going on today. And Jesus promised his Church will stand until he comes again.

True… Peter was a sinner and made human mistakes… but when it came to faith and morals, and declaring Truth he was perfect because of the Holy Spirit… re:1Peter… “… baptism now saves you…” etc

 

[Des]

Thank you for pointing that out, I was sitting here trying to figure out how to word that.

lol, I had to edit it 3 times after posting that because I was having a tough time wording it correctly as well.

 

[allhers]

They get all the one’s with “itching ears” and we Catholics get all the ones who hear His voice and follow Him.
“He who has ears, listen.”

 

[MrS]

The earliest Christians didn’t venerate Mary. In fact Mariology didn’t even begin to develop until nearly 200 years after the death of Christ, first by Irenaeus. It wasn’t until the fifth century that Mariology began to find its way into church dogma; and it wasn’t until 1950 that the assumption of Mary was adopted into church doctrine.

Well, you can’t really get much closer to “early” than Pentecost.

Pray tell, who was mentioned as being in the center of the group gathered in the upper room waiting for the Paraclete?

…not to mention the beloved John,whom Jesus loved… taking her in his home…

 

[sola_scriptura]

Catholics who knew zippo about their faith join you while we have protestants who know their Bibles inside out joining us. Huge difference SS. One is easily lead astray because of lack of knowlege, while the other is lead by understanding the lack of logic of sola scripture.

In my view the few protestant theologians or pastors who have joined the Catholic Church were poor theologians and pastors to begin with.

I’ve been studying scripture for years, read the greats (including the Catholic fathers), and graduated from a law school pretty high up on the food chain. Half my family is Roman Catholic. I’ve been around Catholicism all of my life. The protestant side of my family is from a more traditional (Episcopalian) background & funny I’ve come to reject all of these views.

At any rate … let’s not deviate too far from the topic at hand, Mary and Marian theology?

 

[Des]

In my view the few protestant theologians or pastors who have joined the Catholic Church were poor theologians and pastors to begin with.

I’ve been studying scripture for years, read the greats (including the Catholic fathers), and graduated from a law school pretty high up on the food chain. Half my family is Roman Catholic. I’ve been around Catholicism all of my life. The protestant side of my family is from a more traditional (Episcopalian) background & funny I’ve come to reject all of these views.

At any rate … let’s not deviate too far from the topic at hand, Mary and Marian theology?

Well in my time I have come across many ex Catholics who somehow feel they know their stuff before they left the Church. I had one guy at work very adamant on how he grew up Catholic and did the entire routine thing. I asked. What’s the Holy Eucharist? His answer…“The Holy what…”.

In my view, the Church is stronger with the ex Protestants than with the ones that left the Church. Amen to that I say.

 

[allhers]

Well it’s funny you mention this. Even in the Catholic communion there’s disagreement (albeit slight) in Marian theology. So true uniformity doesn’t even exist within Catholicism (more broadly speaking) with regard to the role of our blessed mother.

It is written that we have only one God & He is a jealous God. We only have one mediator between God and ourselves, Jesus.

Now I know you will say that saints and Mary advocate on our behalf before the only one who can advocate before God, Jesus. So (forgive me if I’m using this term loosely) we have “secondary mediators” (and the RCC is careful not to juxtapose the role of the saints or Mary with that of Christ).

The earliest Christians didn’t venerate Mary. In fact Mariology didn’t even begin to develop until nearly 200 years after the death of Christ, first by Irenaeus. It wasn’t until the fifth century that Mariology began to find its way into church dogma; and it wasn’t until 1950 that the assumption of Mary was adopted into church doctrine.

Who do you think that the Gospel writers got the information on the Angel Gabriel appearing to her and about her life with St. Joseph and Jesus? Don’ t you think that it must have been her (name removed by moderator)ut? Who else would have known those things?
Haven’t you read in the Acts of the Apostles where they were all gathered in prayer with her when the Holy Spirit decended upon them?
We agree that we only have one mediator between God and ourselves, Jesus. We do have a lot of intercessors though.
Jesus left the care of His Mother with the diciple that He most loved.

 

[sola_scriptura]

Well, you can’t really get much closer to “early” than Pentecost.

Pray tell, who was mentioned as being in the center of the group gathered in the upper room waiting for the Paraclete?

…not to mention the beloved John,whom Jesus loved… taking her in his home…

It was Peter in the center of the group (see Acts 1:15)?

 

[MrS]

In my view the few protestant theologians or pastors who have joined the Catholic Church were poor theologians and pastors to begin with.

I’ve been studying scripture for years, read the greats (including the Catholic fathers), and graduated from a law school pretty high up on the food chain. Half my family is Roman Catholic. I’ve been around Catholicism all of my life. The protestant side of my family is from a more traditional (Episcopalian) background & funny I’ve come to reject all of these views.

At any rate … let’s not deviate too far from the topic at hand, Mary and Marian theology?

You do realize, I hope, that The Coming Home Network has worked with over 1000 protesant ministers over the last 10 years …

chnetwork.org/

*During the past few years particularly, there have been hundreds of pastors and laymen of every conceivable religious tradition showing intense interest in the truths of the Catholic Faith and entering with great joy into the Catholic Church. Even though their conversions may have required great sacrifice, including the loss of friends, family and vocation, they yet believe with all of their hearts that they have truly “come home.” The purpose of The Coming Home Network International (CHNetwork) is to provide fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church. The CHNetwork is committed to assisting and standing beside all inquirers, serving as a friend and an advocate. *

there is nowhere near this activity on the other side of the highway.

 

[sola_scriptura]

Who do you think that the Gospel writers got the information on the Angel Gabriel appearing to her and about her life with St. Joseph and Jesus? Don’ t you think that it must have been her (name removed by moderator)ut? Who else would have known those things?
Haven’t you read in the Acts of the Apostles where they were all gathered in prayer with her when the Holy Spirit decended upon them?
We agree that we only have one mediator between God and ourselves, Jesus. We do have a lot of intercessors though.
Jesus left the care of His Mother with the diciple that He most loved.

Of course I’ve read this … again, this bears no relevance to issue at hand? Mary was there (in the upper room) at Pentecost, how does this make her queen of heaven?

 

[allhers]

Of course I’ve read this … again, this bears no relevance to issue at hand? Mary was there (in the upper room) at Pentecost, how does this make her queen of heaven?

God made her the Queen of heaven, Her Son is Christ, our King. She is his Mother, haven’t you ever heard of the Queen Mother?
Doesn’t your denomination teach anything about receiving a crown?? She was crowned as Queen of Heaven and earth.

 

[sola_scriptura]

You do realize, I hope, that The Coming Home Network has worked with over 1000 protesant ministers over the last 10 years …

chnetwork.org/

*During the past few years particularly, there have been hundreds of pastors and laymen of every conceivable religious tradition showing intense interest in the truths of the Catholic Faith and entering with great joy into the Catholic Church. Even though their conversions may have required great sacrifice, including the loss of friends, family and vocation, they yet believe with all of their hearts that they have truly “come home.” The purpose of The Coming Home Network International (CHNetwork) is to provide fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church. The CHNetwork is committed to assisting and standing beside all inquirers, serving as a friend and an advocate. *

there is nowhere near this activity on the other side of the highway.

they could work with a million or a billion and they would still be wrong. The Catholic Church has over a billion members, do you think this illustrates only Catholics are elect? Remember, narrow is the gate.

 

[sola_scriptura]

God made her the Queen of heaven, Her Son is Christ, our King. She is his Mother, haven’t you ever heard of the Queen Mother?

No, your church named her queen of heaven, God made her blessed among women. I would ask you if you know where the idea of queen mother comes from (in scripture)?

You say she was crowned as the queen of heaven (which I suppose you derive from Rev. 12). This is poor exegesis, pure & simple.

 

[allhers]

they could work with a million or a billion and they would still be wrong. The Catholic Church has over a billion members, do you think this illustrates only Catholics are elect? Remember, narrow is the gate.

…and many are called and yet, few are chosen.

 

[MrS]

It was Peter in the center of the group (see Acts 1:15)?

and when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James. 14 All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

Guess just the “important” people were mentioned, so later in history non-Catholics would know who was really at the Birthday of the Church.

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[sola_scriptura]

…and many are called and yet, few are chosen.

Indeed … my point exactly!

 

[allhers]

No, your church named her queen of heaven, God made her blessed among women. I would ask you if you know where the idea of queen mother comes from (in scripture)?

You say she was crowned as the queen of heaven (which I suppose you derive from Rev. 12). This is poor exegesis, pure & simple.

Blessed among ALL women. Are you going to give me that story from the Old Testament that doesn’t apply to her?

 

[sola_scriptura]

and when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James. 14 All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

Guess just the “important” people were mentioned, so later in history non-Catholics would know who was really at the Birthday of the Church. .

The birthday of your church was when Constantine converted the empire. The birthday of Christianity was when Christ was risen!

 

[thecoach]

No, your church named her queen of heaven, God made her blessed among women. I would ask you if you know where the idea of queen mother comes from (in scripture)?

You say she was crowned as the queen of heaven (which I suppose you derive from Rev. 12). This is poor exegesis, pure & simple.

EXACTLY!