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thecoach
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I didnt find it amusing.
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allhers
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Still waiting.:yawn:
Still waiting for thecoach to answer for himself, but I guess he has to go look some stuff up since he can’t just say off the top of his head what he believes.
…or maybe he’s got to go find some things about all those theologians he referred to.
Maybe I’ll see his answer tomorrow.
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thecoach
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…"in order that everyone may know that THROUGH HER are obtained every hope, every grace, and ALL SALVATION. "
Sounds like attributes that should be credited to God alone…No nothing wrong with what God decides (funny that comes from a Catholic, those who like to have God work only according to their rules!) EXCEPT that nowhere in God’s Word does He say so…it it only the word of a man that says it…and it is blasphemous to attribute to a human what belongs to God. You have made your blindness quite clear…and you are being lead into error by these popes. Thank you God for rescuing me from these deceptions!
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allhers
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Lapell isn’t the one in error, you have made yourself your own Pope and lead others astray.
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thecoach
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LOL…no I lead God lead, not man.
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allhers
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What?
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allhers
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Oh, I see, you meant to say that you let God lead, not man.
But yet you are a man, and you are the one saying that God lead’s people out of His Catholic Church. Now, that is not rational thought.
Let’s see if we can’t help you out here. Now, obviously, for whatever reason, you left the Catholic Church, which to most of us Catholic’s who already have “found” Jesus in HIS Church that He founded, that means that you are walking away from Jesus.
When one already has the fullness of the Truth, Jesus, Himself, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, it is hard for us to understand why anyone would leave HIM.
Apparently though, you didn’t understand that and so thought you had to go searching elsewhere for Him, when, in fact, He was right there all along, “right under your nose”, both so to speak and literally, in Holy Communion.
Perhaps you weren’t reading the Bible then, perhaps you didn’t pay much attention at Mass, perhaps you thought that the Holy Spirit wanted you elsewhere, for whatever reason you came up with, perhaps you didn’t discern that in prayer before you left. Maybe you were not partaking of the Sacrament of Confession. I don’t know, but one thing I do know is that when someone leaves His Church, it is not a good idea to go around bad mouthing it to those who stayed with HIM all along, we pray for your home coming like the prodical son…and we wait in joy. We know one day, when you realize the error of your ways, that you will be welcomed back with open arms. (no, I won’t hold my breath, but I will pray for that.)
But yet you are a man, and you are the one saying that God lead’s people out of His Catholic Church. Now, that is not rational thought.
Let’s see if we can’t help you out here. Now, obviously, for whatever reason, you left the Catholic Church, which to most of us Catholic’s who already have “found” Jesus in HIS Church that He founded, that means that you are walking away from Jesus.
When one already has the fullness of the Truth, Jesus, Himself, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, it is hard for us to understand why anyone would leave HIM.
Apparently though, you didn’t understand that and so thought you had to go searching elsewhere for Him, when, in fact, He was right there all along, “right under your nose”, both so to speak and literally, in Holy Communion.
Perhaps you weren’t reading the Bible then, perhaps you didn’t pay much attention at Mass, perhaps you thought that the Holy Spirit wanted you elsewhere, for whatever reason you came up with, perhaps you didn’t discern that in prayer before you left. Maybe you were not partaking of the Sacrament of Confession. I don’t know, but one thing I do know is that when someone leaves His Church, it is not a good idea to go around bad mouthing it to those who stayed with HIM all along, we pray for your home coming like the prodical son…and we wait in joy. We know one day, when you realize the error of your ways, that you will be welcomed back with open arms. (no, I won’t hold my breath, but I will pray for that.)
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rinnie
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This one is for coach only. But he probally wont answer me, For some reason he must not like me. But I will try another question. Coach do you believe in the Trinity?
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cfrancis
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SO, Christ did come to us through Mary. Really, what is your position on this simple point? Did or did not Christ come to us through Mary?
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cfrancis
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You are, of course, referring to HIs written Word…YIKES! What poor reasoning…
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thecoach
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Havent I answered you on something before? Maybe not…its getting blurry…
Yes, I believe in the Trinity…it is based in Scripture…read the end of Matthew.
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thecoach
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And you rather rely on what? What a man in a funny hat says?
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thecoach
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Youre point…for the umpteenth time? Let me save you some time, as you are on the one track and the train has left the station anyway…Mary giving birth to Jesus is NOT what those quotes are referring to and you know it.
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cfrancis
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You’re reasoning is, if it’s not in the Bible, it’s not true (we’re talking about Christian doctrine). That logic is flawed.
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cfrancis
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So you do believe in the Incarnation - man, getting a simple answer from you is not easy.
Let’s see:
- Jesus is the source of our salvation (a point on which we agree).
- Mary, by her free will, consented to God’s Will
- Jesus was born of Mary: He did come to us through her
- Certainly makes sense to say our salvation comes from Jesus Christ who came to us through Mary. We can say, without taking anything away from Jesus Christ our Savior that Mary cooperated in our salvation by giving birth to our Savior.
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rinnie
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Ok good, now where does it mention in scripture about the Trinity, I dont recall that in the bible.
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rinnie
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Also you never answered my other question do you believe in Canon of Scripture. Lets make this short and easy do you believe in the bible and do you believe it is the true words of Jesus Christ. And inspired by the Holy Spirit? THis is only for Coach.
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myredeemerlives
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Ok let me get this straight… because Mary gave birth to Jesus that means to we have to also go through Mary so that we can get to Jesus?
Do we exit through her uterus too?
The bible teaches that we are to go to Jesus DIRECTLY to get to the Father. Nowhere does the bible teach to go through Mary to get to Jesus to get to the Father.
If you can show me a very, very clear scripture stating that fact then I will bow my knee to Mary. Until that I will bow to Jesus.
Do we exit through her uterus too?
The bible teaches that we are to go to Jesus DIRECTLY to get to the Father. Nowhere does the bible teach to go through Mary to get to Jesus to get to the Father.
If you can show me a very, very clear scripture stating that fact then I will bow my knee to Mary. Until that I will bow to Jesus.
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thecoach
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I have answered your questions.
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allhers
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Well if it was good enough for God that Jesus would come to us through Mary, then I don’t think that there is anything wrong with us going to Jesus through her. There is nothing wrong either with going directly to Jesus to get to the Father, as a matter of fact, all the prayers of the Mass are directed to God the Father, through Jesus and in the Holy Spirit. In Him, with Him and through Him.
We believe that Jesus is our only mediator but we have a lot of intercessors, His Blessed Mother is the best one of them, in my humble opinion.
We, just like Jesus, and just like the early Church still pray with His Mother.
We only genuflect to Jesus however, so, there would be no need to ever genuflect to His Mother, you could however, kneel in prayer, nothing wrong with anyone kneeling when they pray.
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