Do we choose heaven or hell?

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I have a question on a passage in Matthew.

Matthew 7:21-29 (NRSV)
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the
kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my
Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord,
did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your
name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will
declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you
evildoers.’

I have heard many people I admire on EWTN say that we aren’t cast into hell against our will - that we choose hell by favoring our will over God’s will. Can someone help me understand how that idea works in relation to this passage? Thanks
 
I have a question on a passage in Matthew.

Matthew 7:21-29 (NRSV)
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the
kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my
Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord,
did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your
name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will
declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you
evildoers.’

I have heard many people I admire on EWTN say that we aren’t cast into hell against our will - that we choose hell by favoring our will over God’s will. Can someone help me understand how that idea works in relation to this passage? Thanks
Simple.
The ones who say, "Lord Lord’ and do LIP service to God while NOT doing the will of the Father are (by definition) choosing to do wrong. If you are not doing God’s will, you’re going against Him, right?

Now even though the people are ‘saying’, “But we did ‘good’ for you,” what they are REALLY saying is “It is enough to ‘name’ God and do all sorts of things that we want and claim it’s for Him --it is not necessary to actually obey God and do His will.”

Picture a nice upstanding Christian man who goes around saying how much he loves God --while he beats his wife, starves his son, rapes his daughters, and never repents.

He dies and says, “Here I am Lord, didn’t you HEAR ME SAY all my life how I ‘loved’ you?”
God says, “I heard love, but what I and your family saw and FELT was beating, starvation, rape and hurt, which you have NEVER REPENTED.”

The man knows that he has done wrong but thinks to deceive God by claiming it was ‘done for Him’. But God will not be deceived or mocked. Even if this man had been well regarded by the world, if he does evil in “God’s name” that evil does not belong to God, and the man has chosen hell, not God.
 
J.M.J.

Would you say that we can choose for or against God? For that’s what Heaven is: being completely with God, just like the angels; and that’s what being in Hell is: being completely separated from God, like the fallen angels. And that is something we can do all the time: choose for or against God in any situation, especially at the hour of our death (I think God works a lot of miracles then).

Having said that, yes, I do believe that we choose for or against heaven.

God be with you,
 
I have a question on a passage in Matthew.

Matthew 7:21-29 (NRSV)
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the
kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my
Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord,
did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your
name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will
declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you
evildoers.’

I have heard many people I admire on EWTN say that we aren’t cast into hell against our will - that we choose hell by favoring our will over God’s will. Can someone help me understand how that idea works in relation to this passage? Thanks
I can see where this passage can give trouble. It appears on the surface of the reading that those prophesying and cating out demons in Christ’s name are choosing Christ over satan and heaven over hell, but this may not be the case.
It is unfortunate that there are many who have deluded themselves or been deluded.
One of these types are the ones who figure they are good for heaven because they go to church once a week (but do not live the gospel the rest of the time)
Another type is the big fancy preacher who is sucked up in his own impotance - He preaches, he prophesies, he exhorts and then passes the plate to support a lavish lifestyle…
There are many, I’m afraid, who find themselves sent away.

To me this passage is cautionary - What is God’s Will - Christ tells us in the Great commandments of Love. Love God and Love neighbor as ourselves, in humility and service.

As to the idea of our choosing hell and this passage, Christ’s words are so that his audience would understand. In bare truth, when faced with the unvarnished reality of our lives and our choices, we will make the choice - indeed ARE making the choice every day - of our final destination.

Peace
James
 
I have a question on a passage in Matthew.

Matthew 7:21-29 (NRSV)
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the
kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my
Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord,
did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your
name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will
declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you
evildoers.’

I have heard many people I admire on EWTN say that we aren’t cast into hell against our will - that we choose hell by favoring our will over God’s will. Can someone help me understand how that idea works in relation to this passage? Thanks

Prophesy, exercism, powers, are gifts given not for the benefit of the individual who has them, but for the benefit of the community at large. The individual follower is still bound to live his life by Jesus’ precepts or the will of His Father, even tho he uses gifts to assist others in the community.

Now when we say a person chooses hell because they make sinful choices, what this is really stating is that they are without sanctifying grace, driving out the life of God in the soul by those evil choices. Evil and Good cannot co-exist because evil is the very absence of good. What is chosen appears as good at that moment but it is in reality an evil that is chosen. In the above question, the person has chosen to be lazy and not do the will of the Father in their personal life (evil), even tho they apparently had used gifts for the good of the community. Moral of story, we must do one and not neglect the other.

I have heard someone say on national TV that all he had to do was to be charitible and that his personal chastity was not what counted. He said charity is all that is required. This is doing one without the other, and according to the above story would not be satisfactory.​

“… love everyone, especially the brethern.” Paul, murderer and convert.
 
I believe what the OP asked is whether man has free will when it comes to living a life that leads to purgatory/heaven vs. hell. Of course, the answer is yes.

I have always interpreted the quoted passage (and I mean no intentional offense to protestants by this reference - being from the South has a special significance for me) as Christ saying:

“You can ‘thump’ your bibles all you want and make a big show of how good of a person you think you are, but in the end, you will be judged by God by WHAT you did and WHY you did it - for the love of God”.

Remember the Beatitude: “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth”. The “meek” (that is, those who are so comfortable in their skin that they can lay down their pride and be the least) are not weak; they are unbelievably strong. A perfect example was St. Maximilian Kolbe, who voluntarily changed places with a fellow inmate at Auschwitz and allowed himself to be killed rather than the other inmate. The irony is that it was not the Nazis who were in control at that point - it was St. Maximilian Kolbe.
 
There was a recent cartoon of a “Personally opposed but …” politician standing before the Pearly Gates. A voice is saying, "I am personally opposed to your going to Hell, but I won’t interfere with your free decision’, while a trap door is dropping away beneath his feet.
 
I believe that Catholics believe in free will. That is, you can choose whether you live a good life or not. Also, you will be judge individually on base of your knowledge, intelligence, etc. But most of all you will be forgiven if you thruly repent your actions, confess them, do penance, and with all your heart ask God for forgiveness.

On the other hand, Reformists believe that God already knows if you are going to Hell or Heaven and that eventually you have know saying in this. (Personally that does not make any sense at all for me.)
 
Look at the passage in its historical context.

Remeber that there were many poeple who posed as prophets, magicians and soothsayers in those days, who tricked people into believing that they had some sort of power or spiritual gifts for profit. The practice, similar to the snake oil salesman on the US frontier in the 1800’s, was quite common.

*When Simon saw that the Spirit was conferred by the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money and said, “Give me this power too, so that anyone upon whom I lay my hands may receive the holy Spirit.” But Peter said to him, “May your money perish with you, because you thought that you could buy the gift of God with money. You have no share or lot in this matter, for your heart is not upright before God. Repent of this wickedness of yours and pray to the Lord that, if possible, your intention may be forgiven. For I see that you are filled with bitter gall and are in the bonds of iniquity.” Simon said in reply, “Pray for me to the Lord, that nothing of what you have said may come upon me.” (Acts 8:18-24)*Peter rebukes one such man, Simon, who was converted by Phillip because Simon saw how Phillip healed people, perrformed exorcisms and imparted the gift of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands. Simon believed that the power was genuine but wanted to use it for his own gain.

Gifts given by God are not to be used for personal gain but only the one “Who does the will of my Father in Heaven” will get into Heaven. And what is the will of the Father? Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and strength and love your neigbor as yourself. The snake oil salesmen did it for gain, not for love.

-Tim-
 
I have heard many people I admire on EWTN say that we aren’t cast into hell against our will - that we choose hell by favoring our will over God’s will. Can someone help me understand how that idea works in relation to this passage? Thanks
These Christians take parts of the bible about giving prophesy, casting out demons and while they appear to give their life to the Lord Jesus they follow Jesus in part but not in full.

They may be like a cult figure, or the main attraction in their church. They may have lavish lifestyles supported by tithing members of their church.

They desire and pray for showy gifts of the spirit so they can perform spectacular displays of the Holy Spirits’ power, that is if the Holy Spirit is truly operating through them.

Jesus will say to these people on judgement day ‘away from me, I never knew you’ because they do not have the spirit of the Father and the Son living in them. Only those who do the will of the Father and follow the commandments of Jesus will have the Father and the Son abide in their hearts.

A test of whether they do their own will or the will of God would be to discern if:
  • are they humble in spirit or proud?
  • are they worldly or do they renounce the world for the kingdom of God?
  • are they pure in heart or do they lust for worldly possessions?
  • turn to the spirit of God or flesh of their body?
  • tread the broad and easy road or narrow hard path?
  • Do they appear to carry their cross, renounce their self and follow Jesus or follow their own will?
Jesus is yet again showing his powers of discernment by stating that those who say Lord Lord, or perform miracles are not automatic shoe-ins for heaven. Jesus always looks inside our hearts for the true state of our souls.

I think why Jesus highlights prophecies and casting out demons and saying Lord Lord in particular is because he sees how people did use and will continue to use these showy gifts to profit themselves and puff up their pride, which is of course the opposite of doing the will of God.
 
D-R Bible, Haydock Commentary:

Ver. 21. Here Jesus Christ shews, that it is not sufficient to believe in him and hear his words, but that in order to salvation, we must join works with faith; for in this shall we be examined at the last day. (Menochius) — Without faith they could not cry out, Lord, Lord. (Romans x.) But the strongest faith without the works of justice, will not be available to salvation. (1 Corinthians xiii.) (Bristow) — Many who have the Lord continually in their mouths, but care little about putting on the Lord, or penetrating themselves with his true spirit, will find their presumption, and the false consciences they have made to themselves, wofully disappointed. (Haydock)

Ver. 22. Have not we prophesied in thy name? The gift of prophecy, and of doing miracles, may sometimes be granted to bad men, as to Caiphas, and Balaam. (Witham) — Under the name of prophets, the Hebrews comprised not only such as predicted future events, but also in general all such as gave themselves out for inspired, or who undertook teaching and interpreting the holy Scriptures; and here by prophesying is understood, in a general acceptation, all public functions, predicting futurity, expounding Scripture, instructing the people, preaching, &c. (Bible de Vence)

Ver. 23. So as to approve and reward your works. Here he shews that even prophecy and miracles will not save us without good works. (Menochius) — How much less will faith, unassisted by good works, preserve us from condemnation. (Haydock) — The gift of miracles is bestowed on men not for their own good, but for the advantage of others. We must not then be surprised if men, who had indeed faith in Christ, but whose lives did not correspond with their faith, should be honoured with these extraordinary gifts, since the Almighty sometimes employs as his instruments in working similar wonders, men destitute both of faith and virtue. Balaam, void of faith and probity, still by the will of God, prophesied for the advantage of others. To Pharao and Nabuchodonosor were revealed future events of the greatest moment; and the wicked Judas himself cast out devils. Therefore St. Paul said, “if I had all faith so as to remove mountains, and if I knew all mysteries, and was possessed of all wisdom, but had not charity, I am nothing.” (St. Chrysostom, Hom. xv.)

Ver. 24. In the Greek text, “I will compare him;” an apposite comparison, to shew the necessity of good works. It is the duty of each individual to erect this spiritual edifice of good works in the interior of his soul, which may be able to resist all the attacks of our spiritual enemy: whilst those men who have true faith and no works are compared to a fool, and are sure to perish. (Menochius) —Here again our Saviour dispenses his rewards to such as order their lives according to his instructions; but as before he promised the kingdom of heaven, divine consolations, and other rewards, so here he promises them the numberless blessings attendant on virtue in this life. The just alone are surrounded with virtue as with a strong guard, and amidst the high swelling waves of worldly troubles, enjoy a calm and unchangeable tranquillity. Thus was Job strengthened by his virtue against the attacks both of men and satan. (St. Chrysostom, hom. xxv.)

Ver. 25. The Scribes and Pharisees only explained the law, and laid open the promises of Moses, whereas our Saviour gives new laws, and makes new promises in his own name; But I say to you, &c. The energy also with which our Saviour spoke, together with the miracles which he wrought, had far greater influence on the minds of the people than the frigid manner in which the Scribes delivered their doctrines. (Menochius)
 
Ver. 26. Nothing can be more foolish than to raise an edifice on sand: it carries punishment with it, causing indeed abundance of labour, but yielding neither reward nor repose. The slaves of malice, luxury, and voluptuousness, labour in the pursuit of their desires, yet not only receive no reward, but, on the contrary, the greatest punishment. They sow in the flesh, from the flesh they shall reap corruption. (Galatians vi.) (St. Chrysostom, hom. xxv.)

Ver. 27. Such again shall be the end of all false prophets. Their death shall be in the same proportion, ignominious and miserable, as their life had been glorious and attractive. They shall be punished with so much greater severity, than others, as their sins have proceeded from greater knowledge and greater malice. (Haydock)

Ver. 28. With reason were the people enraptured with his doctrines; for he taught as having authority from himself, and not like their doctors, who only spoke in the name of Moses, and whose only ambition was to please, and not to correct. In the Greek text there is only mention of the Scribes or doctors, but not of the Pharisees.

Ver. 29. He taught as one having power, exousian, to found a law of his own. Hence he said: Ego autem dico vobis; “But I say to you,” viz. as a legislator, announcing to you not the law of Moses, or of any other, but my own law. (Estius, in different location) — All agree that St. Matthew anticipates the sermon on the mount, in order thus to prefix the doctrines of Christ to the account of his miracles; for we cannot doubt that the discourse on the mount, which is mentioned by St. Matthew, is the same as that recorded by St. Luke. The beginning, the middle, and the conclusion correspond with each other. If St. Matthew mentions some particulars omitted by St. Luke, it is because his design was to collect together several instructions, which Jesus delivered on different occasions; and these, for the most part, are to be found in other parts of St. Luke. — This admirable sermon may be divided into three parts, viz. the exordium, the body of the discourse, and the conclusion. The exordium comprises the eight beatitudes, and merits our most serious attention. The body of the discourse is chiefly addressed to the apostles, whom Jesus had recently chosen, in order to instil into them, and all succeeding pastors of the Church, a right sense of the great duties belonging to their ministry; and, in the second place, it refers to all the faithful in general. The conclusion consists of an exhortation to a life of piety, and contains several advices, some of which chiefly regard pastors, others indiscriminately all the faithful in general. — May this excellent abridgment of thy doctrine, O Jesus! be the rule of our manners, the pattern of our life. Amen. (Haydock)
 
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