Do we follow the same God?

[Jeremiah333]

I’m trying to figure out if

1. God, the father of Jesus, our Messiah

and

1. Allah, the father of no one,

are the same God?

Do some people believe yes and some believe no? Why?

 

[Among_Strangers]

Same thing I’ve wondered many times

sits back to watch

 

[ralphinal]

The intention of Muslims is to worship the same God. However, their understanding of that God is defective, deficeint, and wrong.

Other threads have discussed this, and there are better posters and explaining it.

Allah, as presented in the Qur’an is not the same as God the Father.

 

[rossum]

I’m trying to figure out if

1. God, the father of Jesus, our Messiah

and

1. Allah, the father of no one,

are the same God?

Yes: The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.

Source: Nostra Aetate (emphasis added)

rossum

 

[Publisher]

Yes, while Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the One God of Abraham, each of these three faith traditions have differing understanding of the nature of God…but it is Muslim belief and from what I’ve read of the position of the Catholic church, that this “God” is the same Giver and Source of Life, just understood differently.

 

[Jeremiah333]

Yes, while Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the One God of Abraham, each of these three faith traditions have differing understanding of the nature of God…but it is Muslim belief and from what I’ve read of the position of the Catholic church, that this “God” is the same Giver and Source of Life, just understood differently.

So then are the Muslims saved (if that is the right word) too?
Or will they have to become Catholic to get into heaven?

I’m not quite sure I understand.

 

[Publisher]

So then are the Muslims saved (if that is the right word) too?
Or will they have to become Catholic to get into heaven?

I’m not quite sure I understand.

LOL, no they wouldn’t have to become Catholic…they’d have to become Quaker.

All men will return to the One who gave them life…all men will be judged according to the righteous and merciful judgement of God according to the Light each man responded to.

Are they “saved”…depends on who you ask…I wouldn’t know personally so you may need to ask one of the other posters who seem to be “in the know” about such things.

 

[Jeremiah333]

LOL, no they wouldn’t have to become Catholic…they’d have to become Quaker.

All men will return to the One who gave them life…all men will be judged according to the righteous and merciful judgement of God according to the Light each man responded to.

Are they “saved”…depends on who you ask…I wouldn’t know personally so you may need to ask one of the other posters who seem to be “in the know” about such things.

Thank you. Maybe someone “in the know” will answer us. I’m really trying to understand this whole subject.

 

[brkn1]

If you do not believe that the Lord Jesus is the Son of God, then you have not been given the gift of truly believing on the one true God.

 

[jakasaki]

I’m trying to figure out if

1. God, the father of Jesus, our Messiah

and

1. Allah, the father of no one,

are the same God?

Do some people believe yes and some believe no? Why?

There is a most important difference between the muslim and Christian view of God which is the concept of the Trinity.

We Christians believe that God has revealed Himself as one God in three Persons:

God the Father,
the Son of God (Jesus),
and the Holy Spirit.

This does not apply to allah for he is “alone and only one”.

So to my beliefs and views, my answer is no, they are not the same.

 

[rtconstant]

I’m trying to figure out if

1. God, the father of Jesus, our Messiah

and

1. Allah, the father of no one,

are the same God?

Do some people believe yes and some believe no? Why?

Yes Muslims and Christians worship the same God by intent. We both acknowledge our God as the one, omnipotent, creator of all. Specifically the God that revealed Himself to Abraham. So by intent Muslim, Jew and Christian worship the same God.

However, we all three have different beliefs on the details of God. Jews and Muslims have more in common in terms of his nature (not a trinity), while Christians and Jews have more in common in terms of His behavior (compassionate, and fatherly). Still we all more or less agree that we’re talking about the same being.

In terms of whether or not Muslims can get to Heaven, the short answer is “yes”. If God grants them that grace then Muslims can go to Heaven. Remember The Church concerns itself with how to get to Heaven, not with how to get into Hell. We know that Church is the normative path set here for man to come to God. However, the point is that God wants man to come to Him. So he can choses to work that out however He desires. The Church is the defined, clear and safe way.

 

[Among_Strangers]

Hi. I’ve seen this topic come up and always read what everyone has to say. I understand the Church’s position as has been shown from various Church documents.

If the Church views the Muslim view of the One true God distorted but this distortion doesn’t stop the Muslim community from “adoring the One God” (NA 3), then how can the Church condemn any ideologies outside of Christian orthodoxy? How can we say Arius was wrong and condemn him just because his Christological views are distorted? Why don’t we say that Arians adore the same One God, only they see him in a thwarted way?

I don’t understand the difference in treatment or views. If a group denies the divinity of Christ (Arians) and are pronounced heretics and condemned, how come another group that denies the divinity of Christ (Muslims) are just viewing God in a distorted way but they really try their best to love the One God so it’s cool?

Thanks in advance for your reads and replies.

 

[ralphinal]

Hi. I’ve seen this topic come up and always read what everyone has to say. I understand the Church’s position as has been shown from various Church documents.

If the Church views the Muslim view of the One true God distorted but this distortion doesn’t stop the Muslim community from “adoring the One God” (NA 3), then how can the Church condemn any ideologies outside of Christian orthodoxy? How can we say Arius was wrong and condemn him just because his Christological views are distorted? Why don’t we say that Arians adore the same One God, only they see him in a thwarted way?

I don’t understand the difference in treatment or views. If a group denies the divinity of Christ (Arians) and are pronounced heretics and condemned, how come another group that denies the divinity of Christ (Muslims) are just viewing God in a distorted way but they really try their best to love the One God so it’s cool?

Thanks in advance for your reads and replies.

Arians were seeking to redefine Christianity. Islam is as well, but they are doing it from without not within. Basically, to be a heretic, one must first be a Christian. You must know the truth but prefer the lie.

The view of God by Muslims is not exactly cool. Once it is used as part of theologies, it becomes problematic. The concept that they desire to be one of the Abrahamic faiths is a good starting point. A starting point is not enough. The Church cannot say that Muslims are de facto damned for being Muslim. It is impossible to say how many of them have ever heard the Truth of Jesus Christ. So many Muslims live in areas where getting the Good News is a death sentence.

 

[hamba2han]

Just to reiterate the point:

Muslims do not follow God, we worship Him.

Muslims instead follow the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Christians, on the other hand, are unable to decide whether they follow Jesus (pbuh) or worship him.

 

[Among_Strangers]

Just to reiterate the point:

Muslims do not follow God, we worship Him.

Muslims instead follow the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Christians, on the other hand, are unable to decide whether they follow Jesus (pbuh) or worship him.

I readily admit that I am ignorant to the ways of Islam and anything I say or write is not meant to bring offence. If I state something that is incorrect, it is out of ignorance and not malice, OK? So, what if Muhammad is leading the follower further away from God? Since God doesn’t appear to be the standard or beacon for the follower but someone or thing other than God is that standard or beacon, then this is a possibility. Can one worship the One God if they follow a path that takes them away from Him? In Christian circles this would be put in this question: Can one worship God in spirit and truth if he follows a path away from God? As Christians I think we would all answer ‘No,’ to this question.

As Christians we both follow and worship Jesus. It’s not this or that, it’s both and more. We are tied to Christ through familial and covenant relationship. He is our Great God and Savior, our teacher, our model, our master, our friend, as well as brother. He is our all. He is in all and all things in Him have their being.

 

[Among_Strangers]

ralphinal:

Basically, to be a heretic, one must first be a Christian. You must know the truth but prefer the lie.

I see your point completely. Thanks, mate.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

So, what if Muhammad is leading the follower further away from God?

How is that possible ? Muhaamed (pbuh) taught all to worhip one God only .

Disbelievers offered him money , power , women etc etc in exchange of stop preaching of oneness of God. He replied : “O uncle, if they were to put the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left hand to stop me from preaching Islam, I would never stop. I will keep preaching until Allah makes Islam prevail or I die.”

Does it sould like a false Prophet ? Jews & Christians asked him if he wanted to be worshipped by them . He said , No.

As Christians we both follow and worship Jesus. .

sounds like Christians are giving more importance on Jesus (pbuh ) than their two other dietes.

 

[pismopal]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
sounds like Christians are giving more importance on Jesus (pbuh ) than their two other dietes.

Yes, a valid point and I understand how an outsider would come to that. If you read the Nicene Creed however, you should get another understanding of the Catholic position.

 

[Jay53]

sounds like Christians are giving more importance on Jesus (pbuh ) than their two other dietes.

Once again, I will reiterate there is only ONE God.

I don’t mean to be rude, but is there something psychologically wrong with you that you cannot grasp this concept that Christians worship only ONE God? Seriously. I have pointed this out to you several times and I’m sure others here have done the same thing. You seem to want to prove Muhammad right when he says women are deficient in intelligence.

 

[Among_Strangers]

Muslim Woman:

How is that possible (that what if Muhammad is leading the follower further away from God?) ? Muhaamed (pbuh) taught all to worhip one God only.

It’s a hypothetical question. If what hamba2han said is true: “Muslims do not follow God, we worship Him. Muslims instead follow the Prophet Muhammad.” Then it stands to reason that if the one being followed is not God then one could actually move in a direction away from God rather than closer to Him. If one however follows God it would be more unlikely to move away from Him.

Without rehashing the numerous points brought up in the threads on this forum against the teaching of Mohammad, I think it’s a valid question. If the Islamic antagonists have stated their arguments well and correctly then Muhammad definitely moved his followers further from God. If they are not sound arguments then Muhammad has not done this. In any case, all agree that Muhammad is not Divine. So why follow not-Divine in the first place and thus erase the possibility of moving away from Divinity?