Do we have to recognize all canonization?

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Yes. That was my point. You are going to find Catholics who do not agree with some of the saints recognized by the Orthodox Church, but not officially recognized by the Catholic Church.
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Well, it’s not like most Catholics are going to get too worked up if you choose to venerate Constantine or poor Tsar Nicholas and his family, whose fate was truly horrific.
 
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As fare as I am used to, the SSPX teaches that canonizations are infallible and reject sedevacantism.
 
Hi. I’m glad John Paul II is a recognized saint, but the speed it happened is a bit concerning for me…For instance, Junípero Serra took 100s of years to become a saint and he founded so much of the faith on the west coast of the USA. Fulton Sheen is still not a saint despite many miracles attributed to asking for his intercession. I guess I just worry that now ALL Pope’s have to be recognized as saints. I don’t think it’s necessary and begins to be a little hazy when things are done that way. Just my opinion
 
I’m not familiar with St. Junipero Serra’s case, but for Ven. Fulton Sheen, his has been taking so long due to issues regarding his remains. :roll_eyes: 😓

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I really hope it gets resolved soon!
 
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Fulton Sheen is still not a saint despite many miracles attributed to asking for his intercession.
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Fulton Sheen’s canonization process was interrupted due to a legal dispute over his body. When that is resolved, the Vatican should be able to proceed with the next steps in his process.

We need to remember that human processes are fallible. Sometimes they are slow or otherwise messed up. It’s fairly obvious that some canonization investigations are prioritized, as with any human process at a corporate entity with limited resources, and that some run into roadblocks beyond the Church’s control. The Church is also very conscious that it may be sending a message by canonizing some particular person and I think they are careful about that.
 
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As part of the process, his remains need to be examined. If it is not clear who owns his remains, it is difficult legally for the Vatican to proceed.
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I didn’t know that. Why would the remains need to be examined?
 
They take relics and, since he is about to be beatified, the body is present for beatification. The issue is which diocese gets the benefits of the beatification, like lots of pilgrims coming to visit and touch their rosaries to the grave site (and buy stuff in the gift shop and go to services there and create newspaper publicity). Rather sad, but saints get a lot of traffic.
 
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They take relics and, since he is about to be beatified, the body is present for beatification. The issue is which diocese gets the benefits of the beatification, like lots of pilgrims coming to visit and touch their rosaries to the grave site (and buy stuff in the gift shop and go to services there and create newspaper publicity). Rather sad, but saints get a lot of traffic.
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Thanks. I have learned something.
 
SSPXers in general will not be convinced. If they could be convinced, they would be back in the fold.

Best to keep the friendship, drop the debate and just love your friend.
 
In this case, the dispute is between the Diocese of Peoria, where Sheen is from and was a priest, and the Archdiocese of New York, where he was auxilary bishop, and where he is interred.
 
The Fulton Sheen case is such a scandal–even if the two bishops could not resolve the issue amicably, couldn’t they at least find some arbitrator within the Church (like Rome or some other bishops mutually agreed to), rather than go to court? This is pretty much the definition of the thing St. Paul said should not be fought out this way:
1 Cor. 6:5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no man among you wise enough to decide between members of the brotherhood, 6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? 7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is defeat for you.
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Yes, as I understand it. Fulton Sheen’s body has become a spectacle in New York, and despite the fact that Fulton Sheen himself wanted to be buried where he was born New York refused to allow him to be moved because of the tourism trade. Is that about right?
 
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