Do we have to say Ordinary Form or Extraordinary Form?

[Jegudiel]

Or: I used it because that’s the term I always use and already gave my reasons for why I don’t find it to be troublesome. You are not a mind-reader. As a fellow Catholic you should be willing to take my words at face value.

I can’t really be bothered with visceral sensitivities to certain words. It’s obsessing over not saying anything that could be the least bit offensive that has gotten much of the West into this mess.

You’re simply telling us that it’s your right to offend others because you personally do not find it offensive. That you cannot be “bothered” if you offend others. You’re getting defensive because you know you are wrong. Your postings have anti-OF Mass written all over them. You’re not fooling anyone.

 

[mattkubes]

You’re simply telling us that it’s your right to offend others because you personally do not find it offensive. That you cannot be “bothered” if you offend others. You’re getting defensive because you know you are wrong. Your postings have anti-OF Mass written all over them. You’re not fooling anyone.

Have a nice day, Jegudiel.

 

[Jegudiel]

Many people object to my use of the term “Merry Christmas,” but that hasn’t stopped me yet. You have no authority to issue this command. Those with the authority to issue this command have not done so. You’re inventing a dogma where there is none.

Are you really going to try and sell this within a Catholic Christian community? Really?

You use “novus ordo/NO” to denigrate the OF Mass and because you want to offend fellow Catholics. Not for convenience or because you lack the ability to learn how to use “OF Mass.” Suggesting either is a canard.

The use of “Merry Christmas” on the other hand is offensive to no Christian. Your analogy fails. You’re getting upset (“You have no authority to issue this command, etc.”) because you know you are wrong and the more obstinately you dig-in, the worse you look.

 

[The_Curt_Jester]

Good grief! Stop already!

I made one post and I have to stop already? :bowdown:

I do notice how you ignored the first couple of sentences in my post and moved on to bold something else. Please address the first. Also, I’d advise that you quit calling other people liars.

 

[Jegudiel]

I made one post and I have to stop already? :bowdown:

I do notice how you ignored the first couple of sentences in my post and moved on to bold something else. Please address the first. Also, I’d advise that you quit calling other people liars.

“There was a Vatican document (think from the Papal Secretary’s office) that was written post-EF/OF usage. This document referred to the OF as the Novus Ordo. So if someone at the Vatican still uses it, there’s no problem with it.”

Who cares? You are trying to find a way to justify you offending other Catholics when you could simply use “Ordinary Form of the Mass”, “OF Mass” or even “OF.” Instead you are intent on offending other Catholics, going so far as to try and justify your actions. That’s on you.

 

[The_Curt_Jester]

Evidently you care. Anyway, I’ll step aside since you’re being intentionally antagonistic.

 

[Jegudiel]

Evidently you care. Anyway, I’ll step aside since you’re being intentionally antagonistic.

I could care less if such a document exists.

In no way does it justify using a slur like “novus ordo” or particularly “NO” to describe the OF Mass.

You can hit and run if you like but it in no way makes the use of “novus ordo”/“NO” any less offensive.

 

[EcceAgnusDei]

“Novus Ordo”

(in a French accent): now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

• PAX

 

[Oneofthewomen]

“Novus Ordo”

(in a French accent): now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

• PAX

We need a “like” button-
this made me LOL!

 

[The_Curt_Jester]

“Novus Ordo”

(in a French accent): now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

• PAX

Now who’s hitting and running?

Interesting thing that just came to mind, but I know of a person who uses EF to be derogatory toward the Traditional Latin Mass. Therefore, I demand that everyone stops using EF!

 

[Brendan]

“Novus Ordo”

(in a French accent): now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

• PAX

Your Pasteur izz a hamsterre and hiz incense smells like elderberries

 

[ProVobis]

It was probably never used as the official title, but Pope Paul VI even referred to it in this speech:
“Novus Ordo promulgatus est, ut in locum veteris substitueretur post maturam deliberationem, atque ad exsequendas normas quae a Concilio Vaticano II impertitae sunt.”

So noted.

So can we say the Pope Benedict XVI reversed what Paul VI had stated? After all “new” rites were forbidden by Trent. By calling it one rite and two forms, technically Trent wasn’t violated.

That said, I’ve heard the term “Usus Antiquior” used for the older Mass. It seems that that could work too.

 

[corsair]

I think there are too many overly sensitive people in this world. Time to tough’n up and learn to accept that they are many ways to express the same thing.

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

Now who’s hitting and running?

Interesting thing that just came to mind, but I know of a person who uses EF to be derogatory toward the Traditional Latin Mass. Therefore, I demand that everyone stops using EF!

Except that “EF” when used as a modifier such as “EF parish” and “EF Mass” doesn’t exactly convey the same dismissive negativity implied by some when they choose to use terms like “NO parish,” “NO priests,” “NO Mass,” “NO sacraments,” etc.

 

[maryjk]

How so? Just like our present Holy Father said, I find it to be a banal, on-the-spot product. I also have some reservations regarding the change in the sacrificial tone (not character) and the stripping of so many references to the Saints. Yet a Catholic today is perfectly within his rights to attend this legitimately promulgated liturgy. I just don’t attend it since I don’t have to and would be fine with a future pope or council changing things back.

I think that was an unfair assumption on your part. I’ve already stated my reason for using the terms that I do, and using it as a slur was not one of them.

Unfair or not, I am not the only one that saw it that way.

Maybe your dislike of the OF blinds you to the obvious problem with using the notation “NO.”

 

[YoungTradCath]

Except that “EF” when used as a modifier such as “EF parish” and “EF Mass” doesn’t exactly convey the same dismissive negativity implied by some when they choose to use terms like “NO parish,” “NO priests,” “NO Mass,” “NO sacraments,” etc.

Some like to use “Extraordinary Form” in the sense that you’d refer to a wacky, crazy uncle as an “extraordinary” man. I am not making this up. In fact, I have seen quite similar comparisons in decidedly “liberal” blogs.

But I don’t really care, I rather like “Extraordinary Form.”

 

[The_Curt_Jester]

Some like to use “Extraordinary Form” in the sense that you’d refer to a wacky, crazy uncle as an “extraordinary” man. I am not making this up. In fact, I have seen quite similar comparisons in decidedly “liberal” blogs.

But I don’t really care, I rather like “Extraordinary Form.”

The person I’m referring to used it to indicate that the TLM is supposed to be extraordinarily rare and only for old people who are attached to it from their childhood, and that our Holy Father was just being a nice guy letting us “old-timers” keep our toys, and that when we die, the Church will toss the TLM in the garbage where it will never be seen or heard again.