yes , tweety and if after you accept Jesus, as happened in the scriptual case of Saint Peter and the prodical son, you fall in deadly sin, and afterwards do not come to repentance, you remain dead in sin, apart from the Father, that is Catholic teaching.
Peace,CarlanI am aware and do my best to stay alive in Christ. And when I sin I ask for forgiveness.yes , tweety and if after you accept Jesus, as happened in the scriptual case of Saint Peter and the prodical son, you fall in deadly sin, and afterwards do not come to repentance, you remain dead in sin, apart from the Father, that is Catholic teaching.
The Bible is about the One, True, Church. That Church is the CC. It says nothing about UMs going to Heaven. If Catholics didn’t believe that the truth is found in churches other than the CC, we would believe that you aren’t going to Heaven. Your church doesn’t have what we call “the fullness of truth” that is found only in the CC, but it does contain truth. We don’t deny that truth wherever we find it - Christian or non-Christian religions. If you deny the truth that is found in Islam, you necessarily deny the same truth found in your own religion. There are many people who are prejudiced against God’s Church (the CC) by what they are taught by others, many times by their parents. Do you know that God denies someone in this situation salvation, when that person follows the truth that is contained in his religion, even if it isn’t the fullness of truth? And what of those who’ve never heard of Jesus? There are many people in the world who’ve never been exposed to the Gospel. Do you know that God denies them salvation? Are you certain that the Holy Spirit never guides these people?I have never found a single solitary statement in scripture that says ANYTHING positive about another religion outside of Judaism and Christianity. On the other hand, there exists hundreds of warnings about false religions in one way or another. What part of the Gospel states that salvation is possible outside of the one True God or Christ? Point me to some scriptures or even Ante-Nicene writings that show that to be the case. Heck, as I recall they are more strident in this than I am.
Now remember, you are the one who said that Muslims were in heaven. That was your statement. You said heaven was populated with Catholics and Muslims. So you must know more than you are letting on to or did you not really mean that. You said that people would “realize” that. You seem very confident about who is in heaven. So why am I arrogant again? Because you started this by saying that heaven was populated with them.
Come on Brian, you have closed up to what to what Kalt is reallyI have never found a single solitary statement in scripture that says ANYTHING positive about another religion outside of Judaism and Christianity. On the other hand, there exists hundreds of warnings about false religions in one way or another. What part of the Gospel states that salvation is possible outside of the one True God or Christ? Point me to some scriptures or even Ante-Nicene writings that show that to be the case. Heck, as I recall they are more strident in this than I am.
Now remember, you are the one who said that Muslims were in heaven. That was your statement. You said heaven was populated with Catholics and Muslims. So you must know more than you are letting on to or did you not really mean that. You said that people would “realize” that. You seem very confident about who is in heaven. So why am I arrogant again? Because you started this by saying that heaven was populated with them.
saying.Peace CarlanThanks
kalt said Muslims were in heaven first. I addressed that in the course of the conversation she called me arrogant. How do you do when people ignore what you write and call you arrogant? Seriously Carlan…how do you?Come on Brian, you have closed up to what to what Kalt is really
Again let me say,what Catholics believe about Islam,
Not true. The arrogance is in damning other people. You say you don’t, but you do.
Not a God of the dead,but of the living. MK 12; 26-27
Look Bi , we know as Christians that God solved the big problem for all of us through Jesus’ death on the cross, But not all religions get that as yet,Hi Carlan
What specifically would a Muslim have to believe/do to go to heaven or to have the best chance at heaven in Catholic teaching?
You have to understand as a Christian that l that I have the belief that God has perfectly revealed himself in the Old and New Testament. I do not believe that he had an additional messenger who taught us things about His character or things that He desires of us. I do not believe that was needed. I also do not see any justification, biblical or historical, for believing that close enough is good enough. You know I love reading the Bible and I am open to something that shows that at judgement close enough or rejection of who Christ said He was is going to turn out ok. However, because you are obviously a nice person, I am up for talking about it.
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CarlanLook Bi , we know as Christians that God solved the big problem for all of us through Jesus’ death on the cross, But not all religions get that as yet,
I have no idea how God is going to handle it all, all I know is that we have a merciful Father, he is going to judge every human being individually, and if a Muslim through no fault of his own does not know the Gospel of Christ but who nevertheless seeks God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will, as they know it, through the dictates of their conscience–those too may achieve eternal salvation.
Remember I am not talking about people who know Christ and then reject him, but of people who do not know him through no fault of their own.
That is what the Church teaches about other non -christian religions. And I accept that, and trust God for all of us. God bless and give us all the Truth.
Carlan. Did God ever say anything like that? When?
No, but we do know that we have a merciful Father, and he wants all those he created to come to the truth, and be saved. The Catholic Church teaches us that there is a purification process for all those who fall short of purification before we take our last breath& if that process is not completed before death, it continues after death in what we call purgatory. You as a Methodist may not call it that, never the less you will have to experience it anyway.That is so and my heart tells me , even tho’ God didn’t say so, that he will use that place of purification to enlighten all the sincere and Truth seeking holy ones of other religions, who have not rec’d the message of Christ. That is where they will get it, be enlighten and know the Truth. I believe that for non -Christians as well as our separated brethren who have not yet accepted the whole Truth, they will know it all through purification.( In my HO)
God bless, and dear Lord enlighten us all, Carlan I was always told Purgatory is NOT a second chance for those who are not Christians but correct me if I was told wrong.Yes, more truth. Your church teaches more of the truth than Islam does, but does not have the fullness of truth that is found only in the CC. Your not being Catholic, knowing that the fullness of truth is found only in the CC and believing that only those who are in the right place will go to Heaven, is very much on topic.
Actually, you’re the one who brought up the point - that non-Catholics are damned - so you are the one who has to prove it.
Brian,