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Our parish always runs out of wine before everyone can receive that species. Should something be said?
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kleary
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Yes -
The priest should tell them the Catholic Teacing on the reception of Holy Communion, namely that it is not necessary to receive from the chalice in order to receive the Blood of Christ.
Then again reception from the chalice by lay people should be stopped. There were very good reasons why the Church stopped this practice in the past.
Ken
The priest should tell them the Catholic Teacing on the reception of Holy Communion, namely that it is not necessary to receive from the chalice in order to receive the Blood of Christ.
Then again reception from the chalice by lay people should be stopped. There were very good reasons why the Church stopped this practice in the past.
Ken
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Catholic90
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Such as…???
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DJJG
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Kleary,
Although it is not necessary, the church encourages reception of the Eucharist under both species. If offered, one does not have to partake.
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If the Precious Blood, is offered (not wine) enough should be available for all who wish to partake, politely bring it to the preist’s attention.
Although it is not necessary, the church encourages reception of the Eucharist under both species. If offered, one does not have to partake.
Top,
Yes!
If the Precious Blood, is offered (not wine) enough should be available for all who wish to partake, politely bring it to the preist’s attention.
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scylla
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The reason why it should be stopped is because it encourages the necessity for EHMC’s which is why people are for it also.
People usually of the more “everyone participates” bent want to have as many people participate in the Mass. As many people up there on the Altar as possible to best express the community of believers. (horizontal advocates of the Mass)
People who want the Mass more focused on God understand that the Eucharist is complete in the Host, which includes the Body and Blood. The Chalice can be offered at small gatherings which would be available to those who want it and allow everyone access. This solves the problem of needing EHMC’s and allows for a Mass focused on a Priest offering a Sacrifice.
This emphasizes a vertical aspect of the Mass, focus on God.
There is a huge support for a community aspect which is supported by most modernists who feel that emphasizing community will make people feel welcome and unite the Church.
The ones who oppose this are worried about proper respect for God as God should come first as Catholics and community second. Unfortunately most who emphasize community do so at the expense of respect and proper worship of God.
We don’t need the miracle of Cana but a more respectful attitude of focusing on God as the center of our faith, even if everyone cannot recieve what makes them feel good. We don’t go to Mass to do what we want but to do what God wants. If it means we must take more time to recieve the Eucharist with respect then we should make longer lines in front of the Priest and recieve Jesus with respect from a Priest\Deacon.
(unless it is impossible to do so)
In Christ
Scylla
People usually of the more “everyone participates” bent want to have as many people participate in the Mass. As many people up there on the Altar as possible to best express the community of believers. (horizontal advocates of the Mass)
People who want the Mass more focused on God understand that the Eucharist is complete in the Host, which includes the Body and Blood. The Chalice can be offered at small gatherings which would be available to those who want it and allow everyone access. This solves the problem of needing EHMC’s and allows for a Mass focused on a Priest offering a Sacrifice.
This emphasizes a vertical aspect of the Mass, focus on God.
There is a huge support for a community aspect which is supported by most modernists who feel that emphasizing community will make people feel welcome and unite the Church.
The ones who oppose this are worried about proper respect for God as God should come first as Catholics and community second. Unfortunately most who emphasize community do so at the expense of respect and proper worship of God.
We don’t need the miracle of Cana but a more respectful attitude of focusing on God as the center of our faith, even if everyone cannot recieve what makes them feel good. We don’t go to Mass to do what we want but to do what God wants. If it means we must take more time to recieve the Eucharist with respect then we should make longer lines in front of the Priest and recieve Jesus with respect from a Priest\Deacon.
(unless it is impossible to do so)
In Christ
Scylla
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KnightforChrist
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Amen KLEARY !!!
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Even though my wife is a Byzantine Catholic worshiping the Latin right with me, she is very much a member of the Church. The Byzantines are quite used to receiving both species at the same time. I thought that both species where availible to the laity for 1400 years, stopped, then reintroduced in recent times. Tim
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scylla
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Your right both were available and then stopped due to abuse.
Which is what we see today an abuse that should be quickly stopped as what is more important is obedience to truth and extermination of abuse.
At the Ukranian Catholic Church nearby both are available but not all come to recieve.
Not like at our Church here where we have about 99% coming up to recieve. I believe we must have the holiest population of Catholics in the nation at my parish. Probably a total of 10 people sit out of communion.
In Christ
Scylla
Which is what we see today an abuse that should be quickly stopped as what is more important is obedience to truth and extermination of abuse.
At the Ukranian Catholic Church nearby both are available but not all come to recieve.
Not like at our Church here where we have about 99% coming up to recieve. I believe we must have the holiest population of Catholics in the nation at my parish. Probably a total of 10 people sit out of communion.
In Christ
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netmilsmom
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The answer is intinction.
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OutinChgoburbs
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This is simple housekeeping matter. Whoever sets up needs to add some more wine next time. Mention it. Perhaps Father could politely ask people not to guzzle Our Lord’s Blood, but be charitable and sip.
Intinction is a great idea, but takes a priest who will put it in action.
BYOB is definitely not a good idea, as the wine has to meet certain standards.
Intinction is a great idea, but takes a priest who will put it in action.
BYOB is definitely not a good idea, as the wine has to meet certain standards.
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kleary
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In the past a heresy existed that taught you could not receive the entire Jesus unless you received from the chalice also. This prompted the Church to stop distributing Holy Communion from the chalice in order to show Catholic Doctrine that taught the entire Lord is received- Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity under either species.
Presently-
A. All the stuff seen left in the chalices mingled with the Blood of Christ after Holy Communion is distributed- lipstick oils, eyelash and mustache hair, etc. and someone had to drink the remainder of it all down. And next in line please feel free to drink as much as you can- and don’t forget the crumbs at the bottom.
B. Possible spillage - this board has posts of numerous times this has happened.
C. Lay people distributing Holy Communion narrows the distintion of the Catholic Priesthood and priesthood of the layity.
D. Communion under both species is a concession to heretics.
E. Spread of germs- cold, flu and other viruses- the last thing I want is to be throwing up until 4:00 AM and have to sit in a hospital bed with an IV in my arm to rehydrate me due to a stomach virus I got due to recieving Holy Communion.
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Catholic90
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Goodness, it is hard to take you seriously!
Do you go to church to actually worship and pray, or do you go to notice all the supposed ‘errors’ and then stew on them??
You do seem to have a lot of venom running through your veins.
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kleary
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I am never here to defend myself- and I hope I never will for I am a poor sinner in need of the confessional many times.
Why do you take the argument in this public forum and then turn it against me?
This is the Liberalist attitude against a Traditionalist- to say “he is claiming to be more Catholic than the Pope” - so to say.
The Church officially banned the practice for good reason
newadvent.org/cathen/04175a.htm
Ken
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kleary
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Well… now that I attend an Indult Parish- I can actually worship and pray- instead of having my blood boiling thorughout the entire Mass.
Ken
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MichiganTrumbul
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Yes, the Tridentine Mass is an excellent antidote for liturgical abuse and liturgical disrespect. This is especially true around here, since I have not found an abuse-free parish within 20 miles of my house.
By the way, you gave five excellent reasons for receiving the Holy Eucharist under only one species.
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netmilsmom
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I love these kind of posts!!!
You realize that as you point out the venom in the veins of the poster, you seem that way yourself?
I’m not sure what kind of worship you prefer nor what kind of liturgy you are offered but in some places, one does not have to look for innovations. They are overflowing.
Now, if each of us was offered our flavor of liturgy, this would be a moot point but really, in some places, innovations rule and those of us who long for an Historically Catholic Holy Mass are accused of venom in the veins when all we want is a mass without innovations.
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Unfinished
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puzzleannie
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I think a simple instruction to the sacristan would solve the difficulty. Is this really such a serious issue that it merits discussion?
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JKirkLVNV
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This isn’t the mind of the Church. The Church clearly teaches that the sign is more full if the Blessed Sacrament is received under both of the Sacred Species. “People who want the Mass more focused on God” understand equally well that while the Fullness of Divine Grace (the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ) are indeed contained whole and undivided in one or the other of the Sacred Species, this teaching on the fuller sign still exists (not to mention that this was the way Christ instituted it and the early Church, until the 1400’s, practiced it…of course, thank God for modern traditionalists, who can correct those errors
). I think intinction is a very viable option. Or we could just make those who receive from the Chalice out to be less Catholic. I can see how the latter might be more attractive to some.- Status