Do we REALLY need an annulment?

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Okay here’s what’s going on. I am Catholic. My fiance isn’t Catholic and his ex wife wasn’t Catholic. They were married by a judge, not in a church. Do my fiance and I really need to go through an annulment process even though his previous marriage had nothing to do with the Catholic church?
 
Okay here’s what’s going on. I am Catholic. My fiance isn’t Catholic and his ex wife wasn’t Catholic. They were married by a judge, not in a church. Do my fiance and I really need to go through an annulment process even though his previous marriage had nothing to do with the Catholic church?
If you want your marriage to be recognized by The Church, yes. You should also be prepared to hear that you don’t qualify for an annulment. Please speak to your pastor about all this. Annulments can cause a lot of hurt feelings and I don’t want you to be hurt by getting mis-info.http://www.coolsmilies.net/happy/sq_smile1.gif
 
So if we don’t qualify for an annulment what does that mean? We can’t get married in the church or we can just plan it like a normal wedding in the church?
 
If he does not recieve an anulment, then in the eyes of the church he is still validly married to the other woman, and you can not marry him. If you choose to disregard church teaching and willingly decide to go outside the church and civilly marry a man that is already married, you will be guilty of the sin of adultery, and risk your immortal soul.
 
Okay here’s what’s going on. I am Catholic. My fiance isn’t Catholic and his ex wife wasn’t Catholic. They were married by a judge, not in a church. Do my fiance and I really need to go through an annulment process even though his previous marriage had nothing to do with the Catholic church?
You don’t, since you do not mention a prior Marriage for you. The person you wish to Marry will need to have his marriage looked into to see if it was valid or not. At this time the Catholic Church would assume that he is validly Married to his first wife until proven otherwise.
 
If you he doesn’t qualify for an annulment, it means he is still married and you, as a Catholic, may not attempt to marry him.

Betsy
 
So if we don’t qualify for an annulment what does that mean? We can’t get married in the church or we can just plan it like a normal wedding in the church?
It would mean that you would not be allowed to Marry someone who is still considered Married to someone else by the Church. If you choose to continue the adulterous relationship you would be barred from receiving the Sacraments.
 
Okay here’s what’s going on. I am Catholic. My fiance isn’t Catholic and his ex wife wasn’t Catholic. They were married by a judge, not in a church. Do my fiance and I really need to go through an annulment process even though his previous marriage had nothing to do with the Catholic church?
Yes, non-Catholic marriages are valid.

He (not you) needs to go through the tribunal process to determine whether his prior marriage was valid. It very well could be valid– please don’t *presume *that he will actually receive a decree of nullity-- in which case, he is not available for marriage.

You should not call him your “fiance” or be in a serious relationship with him at this time. He is married. He is NOT free to date or propose marriage to you.

The first step is for him to talk to a priest about his situation. Note: HE needs to talk to the priest-- not you.
 
So if we don’t qualify for an annulment what does that mean?
If HE is found to not have grounds for a decree of nullity, it means he is still married to his first wife-- until death do they part.
We can’t get married in the church or we can just plan it like a normal wedding in the church?
It means he is **married **and you cannot marry him, period. To attempt to marry him outside the Church is a mortal sin.

That is why it is not a good idea to get emotionally involved with a person who is not free to marry. Now, he may find that his first marriage was invalid and that he is free to marry.

He needs to talk to a priest.
 
Mapper,

I’d also like to suggest a great book that can help you and your fiance understand the Church’s teaching on marriage and what a decree of nullity is and is not.

It’s called Annulment: The Wedding That Was by Michael Smith Foster and you can get it on Amazon.Com. It’s a very easy to read book and explains a lot of details.
 
Would it make a difference if her finace wasn’t baptized?

I just ask, because I have an un-baptized friend wanting to attend church…

Also, is a civil marriage valid? I think that’s what is confusing to OP, she thinks that maybe a civil marriage is not sacramental. And is sacramental and valid mean the same thing?

Guess that I could look this up for myself…I’ve just never had a need to…
 
Would it make a difference if her finace wasn’t baptized?
It might.

It doesn’t impact validity.

But the party might be able to appeal to the Pauline or Petrine privilege (depending upon if one or both parties were unbaptized at the time of the marriage).

All of the circumstances surrounding the marriage should be discussed with the prieset, who can then guide the person.
I just ask, because I have an un-baptized friend wanting to attend church…
An unbaptized person may attend church. If this person was previously married, they need to talk to their priest about their individual circumstances.
Also, is a civil marriage valid?
For non-Catholics, yes it is.
I think that’s what is confusing to OP, she thinks that maybe a civil marriage is not sacramental.
A civil marriage is valid and sacramental if it involves two baptized, non-Catholics who are otherwise free to marry (no prior marriage, etc).
 
Oh yeah I could add that too. My fiance never was baptized either. That’s why it’s so hard to believe that we have to go through all this when he was never baptized, isn’t Catholic and was married in a civil ceremony.
 
Let me add this to the mix as well. My fiance’s ex was married before she married him and my fiance was never baptized. She was baptized Episcopalian.
 
Oh yeah I could add that too. My fiance never was baptized either. That’s why it’s so hard to believe that we have to go through all this when he was never baptized, isn’t Catholic and was married in a civil ceremony.
Mapper, non-baptized persons can contract marriage validly. I really suggest you get the book I mentioned.

I’m not really sure why you are surprised that the Church recognizes ALL marriages as valid.
 
Let me add this to the mix as well. My fiance’s ex was married before she married him and my fiance was never baptized. She was baptized Episcopalian.
He needs to talk to a priest.

No one here can tell you anything regarding validity. The full examination must take place with all the paperwork, circumstances documented, etc.
 
Go make an appointment with your parish priest. There does need to be a request for a decree of nullity. The church believes in the right of people to contract marriages according to their own religious traditions even they have no religious tradition. One of the things I love about the church is it’s belief and defense of the permanency of marriage.This might take a while to get the appropriate documentation.
 
The Church looks at any marriage outside of the Church between non-Catholics as valid. The problem comes when there are Catholics involved. As stated, it would seem that you, as a Catholic, are not free to marry this person and still remain in the grace of the Church and God.

As stated, you need to talk to your priest, who will help you understand.

Here is a very interesting link about a situation very close to yours:

geocities.com/seapadre_1999/noncatholicannulment.html

I do have one more question - are you sure you want to marry a non Catholic? There are untold problems facing you in the future, especially concerning your children. Please give this careful thought and prayer.

Mary
 
The Church looks at any marriage outside of the Church between non-Catholics as valid. The problem comes when there are Catholics involved. As stated, it would seem that you, as a Catholic, are not free to marry this person and still remain in the grace of the Church and God.

As stated, you need to talk to your priest, who will help you understand.

Here is a very interesting link about a situation very close to yours:

geocities.com/seapadre_1999/noncatholicannulment.html

I do have one more question - are you sure you want to marry a non Catholic? There are untold problems facing you in the future, especially concerning your children. Please give this careful thought and prayer.

Mary
“The Church looks at any marriage outside of the Church between non-Catholics as valid.”

That is a very misleading statement. The Catholic Church assumes that all Marriages outside the Catholic Church between non-Catholics are valid until proven otherwise.
 
“The Church looks at any marriage outside of the Church between non-Catholics as valid.”

That is a very misleading statement. The Catholic Church assumes that all Marriages outside the Catholic Church between non-Catholics are valid until proven otherwise.
That is a much more accurate statement, and I stand corrected.

Mary
 
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