Do we really want another 500 years of division between Catholics and Protestants?

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777rak said:
Not sure if I understand you. Are you meaning/saying that Catholics are not open to learn what Protestant is?:confused:
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rak,

No, I am asking you to clarify “vice versa”…what is it you mean by that?
 
Along the lines of this same theme of difficulty in having unity, I would ask the following: Is preaching a Gospel based on “faith alone” preaching a “different” Gospel, as Paul warned about? Don’t know, just asking.
 
coachkfan1 said:
Along the lines of this same theme of difficulty in having unity, I would ask the following: Is preaching a Gospel based on “faith alone” preaching a “different” Gospel, as Paul warned about? Don’t know, just asking.
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Coach,

You believe in The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church

You believe that the deposit of Faith resides there

The deposit says…we are saved

by grace through Faith working in love…not of our own, a gift…

If you hear something different…you should consider it another gospel…now you know…😃
 
Christian_Unity said:
Do you believe Catholics and Protestants have the same God? If so, can both Christian groups share the gospel to those who do not know God through Jesus Christ? I don’t think Protestants believe they are disobedient to God by not submitting to the Magisterium. It seems Protestants and Catholics have a much bigger agenda than just making our society and world a better place. It seems we both share the common goal of obedience to the Great Commission in how we understand the Christian Faith according to our Christian conscience. These are just thoughts to think and ponder on.
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I think Calvinsm paints a different picture of God. I first came across those doctrines as an agnostic seeker and they put me off God for a long while.
 
OP: for me, this is a moot and irrelevant question, since the main Protestant denominations lack any real distinction: it’s all a matter of whatever the congregation decides at that moment in time. Sad state we’re in: consult Russ Douthat’s book, Bad Religion.

And why don’t the Protestants who believe in the Bible simply return to the Church?
 
777rak said:
Sorry I am really lost confused. I never stated “vice versa”.

I just would like for Protestants to be more open to hear what Catholicism its teaching are/is from a truly Catholic expert; Priest, apologist.
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You are correct…
777rak,
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And vice versa!
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I read this and addressed it to you…it was Pi…so I guess to end the confusion Pi must tell us what this means?
 
Captain_America said:
OP: for me, this is a moot and irrelevant question, since the main Protestant denominations lack any real distinction: it’s all a matter of whatever the congregation decides at that moment in time. Sad state we’re in: consult Russ Douthat’s book, Bad Religion.

And why don’t the Protestants who believe in the Bible simply return to the Church?
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CA,

This is most relevant…

Note CU, claiming Christian Unity, posts Billy Graham and John Kennedy…this suggests that in the mind of CU…Billy Graham and Kennedy represent two belief Systems…what it represents is Billy Graham…and a Catholic President…

Here is the dilema…

CU and all need to recognize this…there is no one form of Protestant thought…and there is no unifying Protestant theme except one…and that is The Catholic Church is wrong…

We have Anglican…giving birth to Methodist…giving birth to the holiness movement…to the AOG, Pentacostal, and non-denominational…so, do the Anglicans speak for all these groups…by no means, may it never be…because to them was not given the utterance of Scirpture…

We have Presbyterian/Reformed…do they speak for all Protestants…as God is truth let me be a liar if I were to say they unite because they condemned Arminianism, that is the central form of thought in Methodists and beyond in the above…and they are declared heretics…no synod since Dort has reveresed that…and there is the 6th point of Calvinism that many know nothing about that declares that the Pope is the anti-Christ and that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon…you can read that here…

historicism.net/readingmaterials/sixthpoint.pdf

We have Lutheran that birthed many different Lutheran groups, including the modern day Evangelical free that have incorporated dispensationalism into their thinking and does Graham speak for them…?

Then of course the Dispensational/Fundamentalist group…and recently Hagee declared that the Catholic Church is not the Whore of Babylon…

Then the Menonites/Amish and Baptists that are groups unto themselves…that have no central authority…

So who speaks for all Protestant thought…? no one…the unity comes based on return and we have seen that in Anglican communities and individuals…assent and consent to authority…

The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth through which the manifold wisdom of God is known, the mystery hidden for all ages, the Bride of Christ and the Body of Christ…to separate is to dismember yourself…to reform outside is invention.

CU has posted many threads, teaching, not asking, teaching Calvinism that Guanaphore refuted politely…and there remain two questions that CU avoids…

Guanaphore asked when Cornelius was regenerated…no response from CU

I asked if CU has read Moby Dick…no response

How is it possible that CU can avoid answering two simple questions and want to unite…unity comes with dialogue…all I ask is yes or no to Moby Dick…is this so difficult?
 
Christian_Unity said:
Do you believe Catholics and Protestants have the same God? If so, can both Christian groups share the gospel to those who do not know God through Jesus Christ? I don’t think Protestants believe they are disobedient to God by not submitting to the Magisterium. It seems Protestants and Catholics have a much bigger agenda than just making our society and world a better place. It seems we both share the common goal of obedience to the Great Commission in how we understand the Christian Faith according to our Christian conscience. These are just thoughts to think and ponder on.
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Why don’t you read this story…to solve the Catholic problem…freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1858224/posts…How I Solved the Catholic Problem

And after reading…who or which is really causing disunity?
 
Christian_Unity said:
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  • Photo of Billy Graham and President John F Kennedy
Protestants and Catholics together; do we really want another 500 years of division between Catholics and Protestants? We can discuss whatever you want on this issue since we agree on the Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed, and Jesus is Lord; therefore, at the end of the day, we are simply just siblings in Christ. Honest discussion is the first step for Christian unity. What would you like to discuss on this issue?
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You seem to be stuck on the same issues. Showing some picture of Kennedy and Billy Graham praying together really doesn’t mean anything, they were probably at some prayer breakfast. You are stuck on unity between Catholic and Protestant but Protestants can’t seem to agree on anything either and there is such a wide and conflicting beliefs from Quaker to snake handling pentecostals. If you just open your own eyes in your own community, you will find Catholic and Protestants working together for the common good of the area from homeless shelters to pro life. You can’t ignore differences in doctrine in the name of some kind of unity. There have been many “honest” discussions here on CAF as well as other forums about differences. When someone is claiming they finally want some kind of honest discussion, they want the discussion to go their way or end up agreeing with their point of view. That is not honest at all.
 
You know Coptic I think the only person obsessively chasing the white whale to the damnation of everyone else is you. Your questions have been repeatedly asked and answered. A simple search on the internet will prove that with the exception of a few liberal most Christian denominations hold the Bible to be their central authority. Are there problems with Protestantism? sure there are. But the same problems also plauge the Catholic Church. Liberalism strikes at your church just as it does Protestantism. These groups that decide to conform to the ways of man instead of the ways of God will be held accountable.
 
CopticChristian said:
Prod,

Have you read Moby Dick?
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I’ve started it twice, keep getting distracted by other books. >_>
CatherineOH said:
That IS what they wanted.
May I remind you that ML never wanted or intended to separate from the church. He was forced to leave. It just went down hill from there. All events should have been anticipated if the hierarchy at the time wasn’t so self serving, and greedy. But then that is family room chair quarterbacking. I am very glad things changed.
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I recognize that this was ML’s goal; I am more making reference to the other people who played a hand in the development of Protestantism. At some point, the decision was made to abandon the Church’s teachings, and to massacre the Bible.
 
batman1973 said:
You know Coptic I think the only person obsessively chasing the white whale to the damnation of everyone else is you. Your questions have been repeatedly asked and answered. A simple search on the internet will prove that with the exception of a few liberal most Christian denominations hold the Bible to be their central authority. Are there problems with Protestantism? sure there are. But the same problems also plauge the Catholic Church. Liberalism strikes at your church just as it does Protestantism. These groups that decide to conform to the ways of man instead of the ways of God will be held accountable.
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batman - I was just speaking with a Lutheran who told me that two weeks ago her pastor said that if Luther was alive today he would be Catholic. What do you think of his statement?

Also, my son who attends a Lutheran high school, asked “if all the things Luther was protesting have been fixed, why don’t the Lutherans return to Catholicism?” How would you answer him?
 
1 more thing. If you will allow me to remove your white whale which is the Protestant churches death, allow me as your Ishmael. to point out a few things: there are those that believe the Vatican 2 was wrong, you have fring group of your own like the SSPX, the American nuns, and groups that want women to be ordained the priesthood. You have Catholics believe the contraception is okay, and you have cafeteria Catholics to pick and choose what they want to believe. To you and all of your friends who have anti-protestant signatures: welcome to the human race.we’ve been waiting for you to catch up. Your church is plauged with similar problems just like the Protestant churches. And as I said before, God will deal with these. Our job as Christians is to seek the lost bringing them to the Master so He can save them and make make disciples. Truth is Coptic, unless Jesus comes anytime soon the Protestant church will be here long after you and I have passed on.
 
When Luther was alive, he was Catholic. I’d say to the child the same thing I said in my other post above.

ProdglArchitect, I total agree with you about other’s massacring the bible… all of which is why I converted.
 
CatherineOH said:
When Luther was alive, he was Catholic. I’d say to the child the same thing I said in my other post above.

ProdglArchitect, I total agree with you about other’s massacring the bible… all of which is why I converted.
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Welcome home, however belatedly the welcome may be coming. ^^
 
lax16 said:
batman - I was just speaking with a Lutheran who told me that two weeks ago her pastor said that if Luther was alive today he would be Catholic. What do you think of his statement?

Also, my son who attends a Lutheran high school, asked “if all the things Luther was protesting have been fixed, why don’t the Lutherans return to Catholicism?” How would you answer him?
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Martin Luther never wanted to leave the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church excommunicated him. And as far as I understand it, the Catholic Church hasn’t fixed Martin Luther’s problems, which is why there will be no unification with Rome. The core of Lutheranism is: Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura. The Catholic Church Denys all 3 of these. That is why the Lutheran Church will not unify with Rome. Now, could any of this change? Absolutely with God all things are possible.
 
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