Do we really want another 500 years of division between Catholics and Protestants?

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To be in unity with us then yes.
I guess you have to define unity since the CCC will state that Protestants baptized in the Triune formula are your seperated siblings in Christ. Do you really want another 500 years of division between Catholics and Protestants, considering what God reveals in Sacred Scripture in John 17?
 
Submitting to the Magestrium and embracing the Eucharist belief are not requirements of being Christian according to my understanding of the official Catholic doctrine. Christian unity is acknowledging our differences and understanding them, without requiring others to believe just like you.
I think when you said according to my understanding. that is it in a nut shell. The Eucharist is the source and summit of our faith. If you believe in that then you are Catholic or have a Catholic understanding. Your understanding of Catholic doctrine is off. I am not sure what you are driving at but until those who currently reject it are not in union with the Catholic Church and what the Catholic Church teaches about the Eucharist has been taught right from the apostles till now.
 
I think when you said according to my understanding. that is it in a nut shell. The Eucharist is the source and summit of our faith. If you believe in that then you are Catholic or have a Catholic understanding. Your understanding of Catholic doctrine is off. I am not sure what you are driving at but until those who currently reject it are not in union with the Catholic Church and what the Catholic Church teaches about the Eucharist has been taught right from the apostles till now.
In a call for unity with the entire body of Christ, we are all united to Christ in one body in reality, but not in spirit of attitude and belief. I am not asking to be in union with the Catholic Church. Can you please explain why the CCC calls me separated brethren in Christ? In my understanding of Scripture, our vital union with Christ is everything. There is no reference in Scripture which makes a requirement to be a member of a particular church, branch, or denomination to be in the body of Christ.
 
In a call for unity with the entire body of Christ, we are all united to Christ in one body in reality, but not in spirit of attitude and belief. I am not asking to be in union with the Catholic Church. Can you please explain why the CCC calls me separated brethren in Christ? In my understanding of Scripture, our vital union with Christ is everything. There is no reference in Scripture which makes a requirement to be a member of a particular church, branch, or denomination to be in the body of Christ.
Because you are going by your own definitions and understanding which are not rooted in historical teaching of the Church. You are called separated brethren because while you acknowledge Christ and have a trinitarian baptism, you are not accepting the authority of the Church, able to receive the Eucharist etc. Jesus clearly set up an authority structure with Peter as the rock and it is upon this rock, Christ will build his Church. The rock did not refer to a “confession” but in a person, Peter. “He who hears you, hears me”. Christ did not set up some loosey goosey Protestant style Church. Just read Acts, people were sent to establish Churches, it was an authority structure which still stands today, the Catholic Church. Also read John 6 where Jesus talks about the establishment of the Eucharist. He is very clear that it is His body and blood. In order to have a proper consecration, you need a valid priesthood to do it. When churches broke away in the reformation, their priests/pastor stop being valid because they were no longer under the authority of the Church.
 
I owned a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Companion to the Catechism of the Catholic Church about 15 years ago, and read quite a bit of it. I no longer have them, but can find the CCC on-line. I’m not still protesting just like most Protestants. We simply believe differently without protesting with those siblings who believe differently. For unity within the Christian family of God of adopted sinners, I don’t think we have to agree on everything, do you?
I think it is strange for you to say that I separated from the Catholic Church, considering I am only 51 years old and never belonged to the Catholic Church in the first place. The Reformation occured 500 years ago, and most non-Catholic Christians had nothing to do with it. :shrug
True, our separated brothers today cannot really be held culpable for the disobedience of their forefathers, however I believe all of them have a responsibility to look back in history and look into the truth of their Apostolic heritage. Someone once wrote," to read the early Church Fathers is to stop being Protestant." Peace in the complete Truth will advance forward the unity our dear Lord Jesus hopes for all His flock. Peace, Carlan
 
In a call for unity with the entire body of Christ, we are all united to Christ in one body in reality, but not in spirit of attitude and belief. I am not asking to be in union with the Catholic Church. Can you please explain why the CCC calls me separated brethren in Christ? In my understanding of Scripture, our vital union with Christ is everything. There is no reference in Scripture which makes a requirement to be a member of a particular church, branch, or denomination to be in the body of Christ.
Please stop looking at things from your perspective, then.

Step back, and look at Christianity objectively. Regardless of what any of us actually believes to be true, we are really and truly separated from each other. Some Christians don’t believe baptism is necessary for salvation. Some believe it is all that’s necessary. Some think a confession of faith and baptism are necessary. Some believe the Eucharist is only a symbol. Some believe Christ is really present in spirit. Some believe he is present in more than that in the Eucharist. Some think the Sabbath is the real day of worship. Some don’t think you need to go to church at all. Some think reading your Bible is enough, without any communion at all. Some think you can just believe and you will be saved. Some think works play some kind of role.

We’re a lot more fragmented than simply belonging under a different banner. Why do you think people leave the churches they grew up in and go found their own, or join another? Because they think different things from the rest of their congregation. Who is to say what issues are important and what aren’t? Aren’t you just imposing your unauthoritative view on others who believe these differences are much more important than you think?

I hope I am not coming off militant, but the objective truth is that we’re not ready to be reunited. Protestants especially have to figure out what teachings are true and which are important. Every Protestant will have their opinions, but all Protestants together have no united opinion.
 
I believe that the easiest group to come to terms with Rome would be the confessional Lutherans because of their adherence of the Lutheran Confessions. The Lutherans of the LWF bring a lot of baggage such as women and homosexual ordination, open communion, and communion with Reform Churches including the Episcopal Church. The biggest stumbling block are the Decrees of the Council of Trent, Papal infallibility, and the Primacy of the Pope among some other things.
The Angelican Church brings a lot of baggage from John Calvin and their theology is a mile wide and a inch deep because they include the High Church ( Catholic Type) and Low Church ( Methodist Type ) and everything in between.
I as an LC-MS Lutheran would love to see fellowship with Rome but first we have to honest in our disagreements before we see what we agree on.
The Lutherans (and Anglicans) as exemplified by their posters here are perhaps the closest to Catholics and vice versa. There is relatively not much to concede should they come into communion but nevertheless the differences are there that should be addressed further. But for their more liberal fellow churches, the schism probably is irreparable.
 
True, our separated brothers today cannot really be held culpable for the disobedience of their forefathers, however I believe all of them have a responsibility to look back in history and look into the truth of their Apostolic heritage. Someone once wrote," to read the early Church Fathers is to stop being Protestant." Peace in the complete Truth will advance forward the unity our dear Lord Jesus hopes for all His flock. Peace, Carlan
I was on a Protestant site in which a Protestant quoted a whole bunch of Church Fathers to defend sola scriptura. 🤷 Instead of reading the Church Fathers, I prefer reading letters and gospel accounts by the Apostles. 😉
 
I was on a Protestant site in which a Protestant quoted a whole bunch of Church Fathers to defend sola scriptura. 🤷 Instead of reading the Church Fathers, I prefer reading letters and gospel accounts by the Apostles. 😉
You should read the book “Fathers know best” by Jimmy Atkin which covers what was really taught for the first 700 years of Christian history and it is not sola scripture as some of the sites you are looking at are trying to claim and twist around. Anyone can take a quote out of context but what one should do is read the whole book or sermon or letter of the early church father they are quoting. Even in your reading of the gospel and Act and letters in the NT, you should see that there was a clear authority structure with the apostles and how they handled problems as they arose such as the first counsel of Jerusalem. Those things just did not stop with the death of the apostles but continues on in those they ordained to follow them.
 
Because you are going by your own definitions and understanding which are not rooted in historical teaching of the Church. You are called separated brethren because while you acknowledge Christ and have a trinitarian baptism, you are not accepting the authority of the Church, able to receive the Eucharist etc. Jesus clearly set up an authority structure with Peter as the rock and it is upon this rock, Christ will build his Church. The rock did not refer to a “confession” but in a person, Peter. “He who hears you, hears me”. Christ did not set up some loosey goosey Protestant style Church. Just read Acts, people were sent to establish Churches, it was an authority structure which still stands today, the Catholic Church. Also read John 6 where Jesus talks about the establishment of the Eucharist. He is very clear that it is His body and blood. In order to have a proper consecration, you need a valid priesthood to do it. When churches broke away in the reformation, their priests/pastor stop being valid because they were no longer under the authority of the Church.
Thanks for sharing staunch Catholic theology. I know of other Catholics who do not take this stance. Let’s go back to the thread topic, and discuss movement toward the unity called by John 17. It is not even worth discussing if you would expect all non-Catholics to become Catholics to move toward unity. When the Pope spoke positively about Martin Luther and faith alone, then that’s movement toward Christian unity. When Catholics promoted ECT 1 and ECT 2, that’s also movement toward unity. When certain Catholics and Lutherans signed the Joint Declaration on justification, then that’s a movement toward Christian unity. How can we move toward additional unity as siblings in Christ who understand some of these issues very differently?
 
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A simple search on the internet will prove that with the exception of a few liberal most Christian denominations hold the Bible to be their central authority. Are there problems with Protestantism? sure there are. But the same problems also plauge the Catholic Church. Liberalism strikes at your church just as it does Protestantism. These groups that decide to conform to the ways of man instead of the ways of God will be held accountable.
You said it before . . . well you said it better. Frankly, I’m completely open to listening to Catholics about the Catholic Church. That’s one of the reasons I’m on catholics.com.

Frankly, again, I’m skeptical of any large religious organization . . . period. Organizations tend to get corrupted over time, all of them, every one.

As mentioned in the quote . . . I take the Bible to be my central authority.

All this sniping that goes on between Catholics and Protestants makes me sick. I don’t want to be a part of either of you actually and won’t. That’s why I call myself a “Follower of Jesus.” Because I don’t want to be associated with either the Catholics or Protestants.

Why? Because I go on Forums like this and Catholics, and Protestants, and LDS’s and more widely . . . members of every other religion in the world acts like hateful people towards others of other religions instead of with love and understanding.

All this kind of talk disgusts me.
 
All this kind of talk disgusts me.
There are many topics available in the Forum. In fact you can start a thread, possibly one that you like. 😉

We cannot get away from topic such as this because it is there and it exist.
Frankly, again, I’m skeptical of any large religious organization . . . period. Organizations tend to get corrupted over time, all of them, every one.
As can be seen, the one without organization surely does no better and how they can skew away easily from the faith because they simply have their own little popes.
 
I think the real issue is that at our Mass we have the divine Presence of Christ among us.

And to have this presence of God in the Eucharist, you have to have chosen and consecrated ministers. Nobody can tell the Holy Spirit to come down and change bread and wine into God.
 
There are many topics available in the Forum. In fact you can start a thread, possibly one that you like. 😉

We cannot get away from topic such as this because it is there and it exist.

As can be seen, the one without organization surely does no better and how they can skew away easily from the faith because they simply have their own little popes.
Oh . . . I’ve been reading threads here that I don’t like a lot. I like to learn what people think.

As far as small religious groups . . . I’d judge them on their merit.👍
 
Oh . . . I’ve been reading threads here that I don’t like a lot. I like to learn what people think.
Fair enough. Even as Christians, we have our likes and dislikes.

What I am saying is your dislike about this particular thread. Why do you dislike it so?
As far as small religious groups . . . I’d judge them on their merit.👍
There are many such small religious groups … and perhaps every one would claim to be the true one. Sure you can make a personal judgment. This may be a bit harsh, but who are you compared to the great many theologians of the Church to judge the merit of the Church?
 
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Protestants and Catholics together; do we really want another 500 years of division between Catholics and Protestants? We can discuss whatever you want on this issue since we agree on the Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed, and Jesus is Lord; therefore, at the end of the day, we are simply just siblings in Christ. Honest discussion is the first step for Christian unity. What would you like to discuss on this issue?
I sincerely ask, and I am speaking in terms of doctrinal truth only (all Christians, regardless of denomination and doctrine, should always possess an abiding Christ-like love for one another):

Any idea how this progressive process might start, considering the fact that the Protestant’s authority will always be sacred scripture (as opposed to church leadership) and the Catholic’s authority will always be the church leadership, based on sacred tradition and sacred scripture? 🙂
 
Fair enough. Even as Christians, we have our likes and dislikes.

What I am saying is your dislike about this particular thread. Why do you dislike it so?

There are many such small religious groups … and perhaps every one would claim to be the true one. Sure you can make a personal judgment. This may be a bit harsh, but who are you compared to the great many theologians of the Church to judge the merit of the Church?
I can ask you with equal conviction who you are to judge me.

BTW, get real. We all make decisions based on a complicated system of reason and rationals as to what and who we will believe. Just because some great theologian talks trash, if he talks trash, I should believe him? Your statement makes me think you appeal to authority. Not something I’m fond of . . .but different strokes for different stroke.

Have a good day.

Oops have to edit . . . sorry. Didn’t see a question. I don’t dislike this thread perse . . . sorry if I gave this impression. What I dislike is Catholics, Protestants, and other religions being snarky toward each other. There are better things to do than moan about the differences between Catholics and Protestants. We’ve had our wars. Time to come together.

BTW, I don’t NOT like the OP just some of the comments. Also, I do have a fairly high opinion of the Catholic Church . . . certainly a higher opinion than I do of the Calvinists, lol. Just a small joke there.
 
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