Do we see Jesus before going to purgatory?

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GISMYS said:
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Where does it say the word Trinity in the bible? Hmm…funny how that works…the belief in the Trinity is not specifically stated in Holy Scripture but is implied and pieces of a scripture hint to it. But it was the Catholic Church with the Bishops and the Pope in the early Church who with scripture as their backup declared faith in the Triune God.

Purgatory is implied in the Sacred Scriptures in a few places

“Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.” -Matthew 5:26

43 And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,
44 (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)
45 And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.
46 It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. 2 Maccabees 12:43-46

Why should we pray for the dead if they are already in heaven? We need to pray for them because they are being cleansed of their sins in purgatory. Sin cannot enter heaven, so purgatory cleanses us from our sins and prepares us for the wedding banquet.

Christ peace to my brother in Christ. 👍[/Q PUT YOUR TRUST AND FAITH IN GOD AND GOD’S WORD NOT IN little man’s ideas!
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What I wrote is from scripture. You can’t show me Trinity in the bible, when you can post it.
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gismys said:
sacredheart1208;11340990:
where does it say the word trinity in the bible? Hmm…funny how that works…the belief in the trinity is not specifically stated in holy scripture but is implied and pieces of a scripture hint to it. But it was the catholic church with the bishops and the pope in the early church who with scripture as their backup declared faith in the triune god.

Purgatory is implied in the sacred scriptures in a few places

“truly i say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.” -matthew 5:26

43 and making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,
44 (for if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)
45 and because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.
46 it is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. 2 maccabees 12:43-46

why should we pray for the dead if they are already in heaven? We need to pray for them because they are being cleansed of their sins in purgatory. Sin cannot enter heaven, so purgatory cleanses us from our sins and prepares us for the wedding banquet.

Christ peace to my brother in christ. 👍[/q put your trust and faith in god and god’s word not in little man’s ideas!
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now we see one of the reasons why the book of maccabees is not part of god’s holy inspired word! Pray for those alive for after they die it is too late!
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GISMYS said:
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now we see one of the reasons why the book of maccabees is not part of god’s holy inspired word! Pray for those alive for after they die it is too late!
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It was until the reformers took it out of the Bible because they didnt agree with it. Why can you look at Matthew? I bet you want that out because it implies purgatory. Your arguments are not based on facts and you won’t answer or adress our questions that contain scripture.
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GISMYS said:
yes! God is three but one=god the father,son and holyspirit= and three=trinity
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Sorry! But your way of reading “GOD’s WORD” needs to be Consistent.

If you do not believe that Purgatory is real, because you cannot find THAT word in the Bible, WHY do you claim the Trinity is valid?

It is NOT in the Bible.

Please be consistent.

I believe in the “Trinity” definition, BECAUSE the Church DECLARED it is true AND I can FIND it in the Bible the REASONS to support that truth.
By the same token I also believe in the doctrine of “Purgatory” because the Church declared it is true AND I can also find support for it in the Bible.

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Lol! Lets not be silly! The word bible is not in the bible either!!!
 
GISMYS said:
lol!!! Lets not be silly! The word bible is not in the bible!
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The word bible means:

d. A book or collection of writings constituting the sacred text of a religion.

We named it the bible because its a collection of the Holy Scriptures.
 
The Holybible is only those scriptures inspired(God breathed) by God all other books are just books written by men!
 
GISMYS said:
The holybible is only those scriptures inspired(god breathed) by god all other books are just books written by men!
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The bible didn’t drop out of the sky. Men who were inspired by God wrote it.
 
satan and demons scream and gnash their teeth too when they see TRUTH posted!
 
Yes! Pray to God alone (not saints,or other men or women)for the living, when the dead are dead it is too late!
 
fabio_rocha said:
Do we see Jesus and get our judgment before going to purgatory or we go directly to our final purification, and then see God?
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Fabio, your thread seems to have been hijacked, but to get back to your original question, I found this in the Catholic Encyclopedia online
Theologians suppose that the particular judgment will be instantaneous, that in the moment of death the separated soul is internally illuminated as to its own guilt or innocence and of its own initiation takes its course either to hell, or to purgatory, or to heaven (Summa Theologica Supplement 69:2, 88:2). In confirmation of this opinion the text of St. Paul is cited: "Who shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them, and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another, in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ (Romans 2:15-16). The “Book of Judgment”, in which all the deeds of men are written (Apocalypse 20:12), and the appearance of angels and demons to bear witness before the judgment seat are regarded as allegorical descriptions (St. Augustine, City of God XX.14). The common opinion is that the particular judgment will occur at the place of death (Suarez in III, Q, lix. a. 6, disp. 52).
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The entire article is here. It doesn’t really say whether or not we see Jesus before the judgement, and we can only speculate. So the short answer is, we don’t know for sure. 🤷
 
FOR BELIEVERS WE ARE TOLD BY GOD’S WORD THAT FOR US TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY(DEAD) IS TO BE PRESENT WITH GOD! PTL.2 CORINTHIANS 5;1-8 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
 
Riiiight. So you’re one of those supposed ‘Christians’ who picks and chooses from the bible. Excuse me while I go look for intelligent discussion.
 
I believe god’s holy god inspired word(god breathed) 1000000% all other books are just man’s books!
 
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