Do we worship the same God?

[eleusis]

Faith101:

We dont believe in salvation through the murder of an innocent man. We depend on the mercy of our Lord…I like that view better.

*"Allah’s 99 Names: Al-Muntaqim Allah is the Great Avenger. *

Allah punishes those who persist in revolting, raving in their unconsciousness and egotism, creating disharmony, tyrannizing Allah’s servants and His creation-those are the ones who are faithless and attribute partners to Allah… in delaying their punishment, His revenge becomes more terrible. For the persistent sinner has had further chances to sin, thus making himself deserving of harder punishment. Those who become the servants of their egos instead of becoming Allah’s servants risk a terrible fall… Suddenly, one day, Allah brings them down…Allah makes those upon whom He takes vengeance a lesson…"

Yup, he sure sounds like an all loving merciful God to me…

 

[Faith101]

*"Allah’s 99 Names: Al-Muntaqim Allah is the Great Avenger. *

Allah punishes those who persist in revolting, raving in their unconsciousness and egotism, creating disharmony, tyrannizing Allah’s servants and His creation-those are the ones who are faithless and attribute partners to Allah… in delaying their punishment, His revenge becomes more terrible. For the persistent sinner has had further chances to sin, thus making himself deserving of harder punishment. Those who become the servants of their egos instead of becoming Allah’s servants risk a terrible fall… Suddenly, one day, Allah brings them down…Allah makes those upon whom He takes vengeance a lesson…"

Yup, he sure sounds like an all loving merciful God to me…

Allah is the Most Merciful and the Most Just…those who choose to persist in their disobedience will be punished forever. But if they ever choose to repent, they will be forgiven for everything.

But I would love to know… What kind of people do you believe will enter hell? What are their characteristcs…then please tell me, who created that hellfire?

 

[eleusis]

Faith101:

The Jews killed many people, anyone who came with something they didn’t like. Whats your point?

What is your point with that comment for the evidence abounds that in Islamic nations and those with Islamic populations we find Muslims killing and killing and killing. What was the name of the last Jewish suicide bomber? Do you watch the headlines for what is going on in Europe? You might have heard of the murder of Theo Van Gogh, the Spanish bombings or the London underground bombs? No? How about these little seen incident of Muslim tolerance?
•**Ali Dashti - **
–**Iranian statesman and Islamic historian. **
–**Imprisoned and tortured to death in Iran in the early 1980s for ****writing “23 Years,” a “warts-and-all” biography of the Prophet of **Islam.

•**Hitoshi Igarashi - **
–**Japanese translator of The Satanic Verses, **
–Stabbed to death in July 1991.

•**Ettore Caprioli, **
–**Italian translator of The Satanic Verses, **
–attacked with a knife in the same year, but survived.

The Jewish laws don’t condone murder of innocents like the Muslim laws do.

 

[Faith101]

The Jewish laws don’t condone murder of innocents like the Muslim laws do

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ooohh ok…and here i read in my Quran that we are not supposed to kill innocent people nor kill ourselves.

 

[Faith101]

eleusis:

What is your point with that comment for the evidence abounds that in Islamic nations and those with Islamic populations we find Muslims killing and killing and killing. What was the name of the last Jewish suicide bomber? Do you watch the headlines for what is going on in Europe? You might have heard of the murder of Theo Van Gogh, the Spanish bombings or the London underground bombs? No? How about these little seen incident of Muslim tolerance?
•**Ali Dashti - **
–**Iranian statesman and Islamic historian. **
–**Imprisoned and tortured to death in Iran in the early 1980s for ****writing “23 Years,” a “warts-and-all” biography of the Prophet of **Islam.

•**Hitoshi Igarashi - **
–**Japanese translator of The Satanic Verses, **
–Stabbed to death in July 1991.

•**Ettore Caprioli, **
–**Italian translator of The Satanic Verses, **
–attacked with a knife in the same year, but survived.

The Jewish laws don’t condone murder of innocents like the Muslim laws do.

p.s. by “Jews” in my comment that you quoted, i meant “children of Israel”. I meant to say that they killed any messenger who preached something they didnt like.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Faith101:

ooohh ok…and here i read in my Quran that we are not supposed to kill innocent people nor kill ourselves.

Do you think your prophet is innocent so your allah deserve to punish who wage war againts allah and his messenger… nice!

quote:
5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Faith101:

ooohh ok…and here i read in my Quran that we are not supposed to kill innocent people nor kill ourselves.

What your quran teaches you, that should not kill muslims. Not non muslims. It is muslims you must protect. :tsktsk:
Quote:
3:28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Faith101:

p.s. by “Jews” in my comment that you quoted, i meant “children of Israel”. I meant to say that they killed any messenger who preached something they didnt like.

In other thread you cannot mention prophets name that killed by the jews… what a waste of time, sister faith101!

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

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ooohh ok…and here i read in my Quran that we are not supposed to kill innocent people nor kill ourselves.

And Muslims persist in doing both, so what’s the excuse?

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

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ooohh ok…and here i read in my Quran that we are not supposed to kill innocent people nor kill ourselves.

And Muslims persist in doing both, so what’s the excuse?

 

[eleusis]

Faith101:

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ooohh ok…and here i read in my Quran that we are not supposed to kill innocent people nor kill ourselves.

“Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day…and fight people of the Book, (Christians and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (tax) by hand, being inferior (Surah 9:29)”

Paint it anyway you want but if one resist Allah’s messengers they are fair game even if they have done nothing else but remain true to their faith, secular or religious or even pagan. In the west not breaking any laws makes one innocent. What crime did those folks do in NY besides go to work?

 

[Faith101]

Cyber Knight:

Do you think your prophet is innocent so your allah deserve to punish who wage war againts allah and his messenger… nice!

quote:
5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Peace Cyber Knight

What is it in that verse that you have a problem with?

 

[Faith101]

Cyber Knight:

What your quran teaches you, that should not kill muslims. Not non muslims. It is muslims you must protect. :tsktsk:
Quote:
3:28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

Why would I take supporters from among the disbelievers (the ppl who refuse to worship Allah) instead of the believers? That would be rather silly

In terms of being friends with non-muslims…its enough to say thtat a muslim man can marry a christian woman, and he cant forbid her from going to her CHurch and doing what she religiously feels she must do. He can MARRY her which is a much stronger relationship that just “friendship”…

 

[Faith101]

Booklover:

And Muslims persist in doing both, so what’s the excuse?

here we go again…

I’m not going to re-explain to you what i believe almost every Muslim has taken a turn telling you.

Believe what you like

 

[Ortho]

Booklover:

And Muslims persist in doing both, so what’s the excuse?

I note Christians persist in killing the innocent. What’s the excuse?

 

[Faith101]

Cyber Knight:

In other thread you cannot mention prophets name that killed by the jews… what a waste of time, sister faith101!

Your Bible tells you the same thing…get the names from there if you feel it is really important.

i really do believe that if i provided you with a long list of names, it wouldnt make the slightest bit of difference…but Allah knows best.