Do you agree that the Judeo-Christian God is not the same as the Muslim God?

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Correction, the Church has always taught that Muslims don’t worship the same God since their god is not the Trinity. Only recently in the Catechism backed by JPII is there a mention of Muslims worshipping the same God, but that does not mean it’s doctrine. If you can show me where there’s a doctrinal statement, de fide, that says Muslims worship the Triune God (the true God, not a god that does not include Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit) then I stand corrected.

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Then why don’t we all use the word God as Jesus would have uttered it, phonetically?

Surely it isn’t too difficult for most of us to learn, is it? It is just one word…usually.
Jesus didn’t speak English!
 
Correction, the Church has always taught that Muslims don’t worship the same God since their god is not the Trinity. Only recently in the Catechism backed by JPII is there a mention of Muslims worshipping the same God, but that does not mean it’s doctrine. If you can show me where there’s a doctrinal statement, de fide, that says Muslims worship the Triune God (the true God, not a god that does not include Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit) then I stand corrected.

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Jews worship the true God and they don’t worship Jesus and the Holy Spirit. 🤷
 
So, i know that…Thanks for telling me.

It’s just one word. We use some non-English words in the English language to describe other things anyway.
 
WHAT???
Then why is the Bible in English?

(Kidding, just kidding… 😃 )
Alrighty-there-Captain Rick ~ 😃

Perhaps you can tell me why English only speaking Muslims use the word “Allah” and not the word “God”??
 
The protestants don’t worship a God who founded a Church with a pope. They(most of them) also don’t worship a God who is present in the Eucharist.
So protestants reject some essential teachings about God. So do they worship a different God? Of course not. But all teachings are absolute essential. The Church always taught that if you destroy on teachings, you destroy the complete divine teaching.

To create some arbitrary standards like:
  1. to use Yahweh or
  2. that they have to believe in the trinity
    So that you can say they worship the same God is not really useful.
 
Assume that you meet a man on the street who introduces himself as “John” and tells you two facts about himself, and you observe that John has black hair and brown eyes.

Now assume that John continues down the street, meets me and tells me the same two facts about himself as well as a third, and I also observe the color of John’s hair and eyes.

Now, both you and I have met the same John, but I know something you don’t about him, namely the third fact.

This is basically how I think of Islam and Christianity, but with the following twist:

Assume that I see you at a dinner party, and we both realize we met John on the same day. I tell you the third fact which John told me, but you don’t believe me, so your knowledge of John is incomplete. Furthermore, you begin to forget the first fact John told you, so you just make up another fact about him, which isn’t true.

In the above example John is obviously the monotheistic God and Author of all creation, the great “I AM.” Both you and I therefore know and speak of the same God, but we know him differently. Indeed, in human terms, what we know about a person makes all the difference in how we relate to that person. All the more with God, who is our Heavenly Father.
 
Alrighty-there-Captain Rick ~ 😃

Perhaps you can tell me why English only speaking Muslims use the word “Allah” and not the word “God”??
Well, cultural or family traditions I guess (?)
Hppefully a Muslim will respond and let us know!
 
The protestants don’t worship a God who founded a Church with a pope. They(most of them) also don’t worship a God who is present in the Eucharist.
So protestants reject some essential teachings about God. So do they worship a different God? Of course not. But all teachings are absolute essential. The Church always taught that if you destroy on teachings, you destroy the complete divine teaching.
Amen. Amen.

Please also note that Protestants lack the authentic virtue of faith, in the scholastic sense of that term. I find that most Catholics either overlook this point or don’t understand it.

See Summa, II-II, Q. 5, art. 3.
 
Perhaps this would help a little. Hopefully we all know the history of George Washington. He was born in the colonies and then turn it into this country and you know the rest of what he did.
Lets imagine that an idiot comes alone (hopefully not) and argues that there is evidence that George was born in the colonies but by the age of fifteen he moved to Cuba and started a revolution and died there.
Well, we could agree that this fellow is partially right about George, but the rest of the story he has it wrong.
That is what has happened to the truth of The Almighty throughout history. Most, started pretty good but somewhere down the line they figured their own ending.
So, in this sense, Muslims worship the same God as Jews and Protestant but they all fell short of His whole identity.
 
Do you agree that they are two different beings?

I wish to argue that the Judeo-Christian God is not the same being as the Muslim/Islamic God. They are two entirely different entities.

Why? They may seem to have the same function, but fundamentally, we know that the Judeo-Christian God is identified as Yahweh. The Muslim God is identified as Allah. Nowhere in the Quran is the name of God ever explicitly stated as Yahweh. It is always explicitly expressed as Allah. Allah is used as a proper name for the name of Muslim God but the proper name of the Judeo-Christian God is always Yahweh; in fact Yahweh is mentioned properly more that 6000 times in the bible in the original tetragrammaton in Hebrew.

Therefore it is wrong to say that Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God. We do not.

If anyone can point out where the Muslim God refers to himself explicitly as Yahweh in the Quran, then I’m open to reconsider my position on the matter.
Yes and Christians really worship Zeus because when you pronounce Jesus in Spanish it sounds like “Hail Zeus.” :rolleyes:
 
I believe that everyone’s God is one in the same. It’s the ways that we on earth have interpreted him that have been different.
 
For me it’s about the identity of the Christian God vs the identity of the islamic God.

Is the Islamic God Jesus? The Muslim says no, without hesitation.

Is the Christian God Jesus? Not only Jesus but Father and Spirit? The Christian without hesitation says yes.

We can ask the same of other religions. Is the Mormon God a man with a physical body of flesh and bone? They answer (if they know or are honest) yes without hesitation.

It absolutely matters who we believe God to be.
 
Do you agree that they are two different beings?

I wish to argue that the Judeo-Christian God is not the same being as the Muslim/Islamic God. They are two entirely different entities.

Why? They may seem to have the same function, but fundamentally, we know that the Judeo-Christian God is identified as Yahweh. The Muslim God is identified as Allah. Nowhere in the Quran is the name of God ever explicitly stated as Yahweh. It is always explicitly expressed as Allah. Allah is used as a proper name for the name of Muslim God but the proper name of the Judeo-Christian God is always Yahweh; in fact Yahweh is mentioned properly more that 6000 times in the bible in the original tetragrammaton in Hebrew.

Therefore it is wrong to say that Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God. We do not.

If anyone can point out where the Muslim God refers to himself explicitly as Yahweh in the Quran, then I’m open to reconsider my position on the matter.
Actually, I quite disagree with these statements. In fact, the Muslim God, Allah seems far closer to the Christian God, the Father than does Yahweh. Yahweh seems to me like the odd man out.

Allah is a lot like the Father - just, merciful, forgiving, loving - all that a good God should be. Yahweh on the other hand seems to be cruel, capricious, jealous and unjust. Not my idea of a nice person at all ( you just need to read the Old Testament to confirm this view)
 
You can also argue that Jesus is the name used for G-d among Christians, which is not the name for G-d among Muslims or Jews. If you are asserting that Muslims do not worship the same G-d as Christians, you may as well assert that Jews do not worship the same G-d as Christians either since neither Muslims nor Jews worship a Trinitarian G-d. Or you can state that all three religions, being based on the G-d of Abraham, do worship the same G-d even though the conception of that one G-d may differ.
…well one could argue that the attributes are certainly different!😉
 
Well, cultural or family traditions I guess (?)
Hppefully a Muslim will respond and let us know!
Considering the current climate, and the way Muslims are talked about, even on this Catholic forum, I can understand why they would not want to respond.
 
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