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otm
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And would you care to cite which Protestant Church you went to that had women EMHCs? I am not speaking of women ministers, but EMHCs.EMCs are an example of the Catholic Church trying to be more protestant.
Do you avoid female Extraordinary Ministers Of the Holy Eucharist?
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otm
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Would you care to state the source of that theological conclusion?
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otm
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So I should go to confession and recieve the sacrament from aunt betty from down the street??
How 'bout when my daughter gets married, I can have her CCD teacher officiate instead of the priest???
When my newborn is to be baptized, I’ll let my mother do it??
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Ah, the art of introducing a total non-sequitur red herring.
How 'bout when my daughter gets married, I can have her CCD teacher officiate instead of the priest???
When my newborn is to be baptized, I’ll let my mother do it??
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Ah, the art of introducing a total non-sequitur red herring.
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rcn
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I said that I recognize the authority of the Church in matters of discipline. Please explain how that equates to “I define my faith by my feelings.”
Really looking forward to the answer on this one.
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otm
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You beat me to it. People get stuck on their own perception of piety, failing to relize that all the carping and criticism is simply an echo of the carping and criticism of the other end of the spectrum, the end which the “personal piety” crowd is so quick to condemn… and so the worm turns…I know it’s weird to reply to your own posts, but I got to thinking about that last part of CCC 1128…
The Church teaches that grace that you receive from a sacrament does depend upon the disposition of the receiver. Depending upon your attitudes driving the “line jumping” choices, I can see where there actually might be more grace imparted through receiving from an EMHC without bias or uncharitable thought than a judgemental attitude leading to line jumping to receive from the priest.
Just one of those things that makes you think…
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otm
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Mothers have always been the heart of religious values in the home. the article sounds like someone who never heard of sociology, spouting off with a pet theory that also shows a lack of historical perspective.
Women outnumbered men in churches before Vatican 2.
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Pug
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No.
I do wish that the many folks who are EM’s during mass would also go bring communion to the sick as a regular thing. We don’t have enough people doing that job at our parish. There are often 40 potential people who could be visited. Just think how great it would be if someone got there every week or more!
I do wish that the many folks who are EM’s during mass would also go bring communion to the sick as a regular thing. We don’t have enough people doing that job at our parish. There are often 40 potential people who could be visited. Just think how great it would be if someone got there every week or more!
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JakeW
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Hmm. I don’t think you understood the comment. I think jlw was trying to say that emc’s are there not really because of NEED, but much more because of newness, change, inclusiveness and “involvement”. Thusly it waters down the importance of the CATHOLIC priest and the altar sanctuary during the CATHOLIC Mass. By implication, the use of emc’s make the CATHOLIC CONSECRATED priest less necessary, and in a way, it protestantizes the faith.
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JakeW
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See post 46. It was intentional.
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pnewton
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I, like otm, did not like the use of the word “protestant” as an adjective. One person uses it to describe liberals and another for traditionalists. A protestant position is a theological stance taken contrary to the Catholic faith. It should not even apply when it comes matters of discipline or choice authorized by legitimate Church atuthority. To do so is restort to the level of name-calling.
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This caught my eye! In all the churches I have been in in the past decase, I have seen two or three hundred at mass and practically everybody receives communion. Once in awhile there may be a visitor or two who does not line up, but even that is rare. With the exception of weddings and funerals where there are a lot of protestants, I have never seen a signficant percentage of worshippers not receive communion.
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jlw
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I see your point, and agree. However, you are missing mine.
Protestants, essentially, believe that the apostolic succession, the direct line back to Peter is unnecessary, no?? And therefore, it would follow that a CATHOLIC priest is unnecessary, right?? When the emc’s are doing what the priest is doing, it lessens his importance, no?? When lay people are doing the job of a CONSECRATED CATHOLIC priest, and milling about the sanctuary in streetclothes, why have the roman collar or traditional robes, why the alter chistos??
What is lacking in protestant Churches??? Respect for the CATHOLIC theology, (Tradition and tradition).
We are not Luthurans, Anglicans, Methodists, Unitarians, Episcapalians, or Evangelicals…we are not a “community church”. We are CATHOLIC for a reason. This is not about name calling. We are ALL in the Body of Christ, and stand shoulder to shoulder with those who defend Christ, his commandements, the sanctity of life, traditional marriage, and religious expression. But we believe in the ONE, Holy, and Apostolic Catholic Church and the Pope, bishops, priests, and nuns who shepard us.
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bones_IV
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I will not subscribe to your sexist statements on women not being allowed to be Extroadinary ministers. Shame on you, you call yourself catholic? It just an example of just because one act of holiness in more reverant and get prejudiced towards another holy act. Its idolatry and sinful.
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bones_IV
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What you said reminds me of what Jesus said about the woman who put in everything she had by puting in two copper coins and the Pharisees did it just to be seen by others. jlw, ridesawhitehorse fit the category of the Pharisees and chief priests in my opinion because they thought that they are better than everybody else based on getting stuck their own perception of piety.
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ridesawhitehors
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HEY! BACK UP BONES!
I challenge you to find ONE PLACE on this post where I have ever stated my opinion on the subject. You are out of line dishing out this kind of screed. Go check the mirror for a plank in your eye. SHEESHHH!
Ridesawhitehorse.
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bones_IV
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I have nothing to say to you. The tone of your post instaneously gave you away. The fact that you submit to what the priest does is disobedience to the GIRM. I have nothing to remove from my eye.
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jlw
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That is such a rediculous comparison.
bones_IV you are being reactionary here. I’m not calling for some SPPX coup or something stupid like that.
:whacky:I am JUST being vigilant. I think that you may take me for a “master of suspicion”. On the contrary, you’re assuming too much.
I am not leaving the Church over EMC’s.
I am willing to say out loud that most emcs are UNNECESSARY, and that makes me heretical???
The Church allows emc’s…in EXTRAordinary circumstances. I understand and embrace THAT. But some of the observations in bluerose’s post #6 ring true. I understand teelynn when she must deal with a real priest shortage in her diocese. And when OhioBob says, even in his defense of emc’s:
…my question is WHY?? Why do we WANT the priest to minister the Eucharist?? And why do many, like Panis Angelicas, who also defends the use of emc’s say:
What IS “overuse”??? What is too much?? WHY would you decide that it’s too much??? What logic would you use to reach such a conclusion??
Looking for some thoughtful answers here. I would expect much from the very smart people contributing here.
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ridesawhitehors
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First of all, you did have something to say to me. Second of all -Where did I say I submit to anything? WHERE?
All you are doing is shooting a messenger and looking for a fight.
GAVE MYSELF AWAY? Are you a clarvoiant? You know what I am thinking? Puh-leeze - I haven’t even made a comment on what I believe - I simply said all things being equal I would prefer to recieve from a priest. And then I said I don’t know whether it is right or wrong and God help me if I’m wrong!
And for that you call me a Pharisee and say I am no catholic at all???
You are just being negative, miserable, and nasty to me for no reason at all. Hope you are enjoying that.
I forgive you beforehand by the way
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bones_IV
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How do you explain this. You said you were trying to be fair didn’t you? If one wants to recieve communion from a priest that’s great. I recieve communion from women EMHC. Here’s a question, what is the connection between shortage of priests and women EMHC’s would you care to explain this? Someone on here mentioned it before.
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