Do you believe in Adam and Eve or Evolution?

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I believe we change over time (duh, look at how we’ve grown, etc.), but we didn’t come from another species. Humans were humans, ducks were ducks, etc. And isn’t it dogma that we believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?
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Swiss_Guy said:
That’s kind of confusing. So basically God created each individual soul (duh), but each species evolved because they have the same DNA? Help me out here. :confused:
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No - each species does not have the same DNA.

IDvolution - God “breathed” the super language of DNA into the “kinds” in the creative act.
 
buffalo said:
No - each species does not have the same DNA.

IDvolution - God “breathed” the super language of DNA into the “kinds” in the creative act.
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So God gives each species a different DNA? It basically seems like complicated Creationism. Sorry, I’m not the brightest person. :o
 
Swiss_Guy said:
So God gives each species a different DNA? It basically seems like complicated Creationism. Sorry, I’m not the brightest person. :o
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God breathed the **language **of DNA. DNA itself is the storage and communication medium. All life shares a basic 500 or so “immortal” genes. From that basic core all life we see came.

This accounts for the diversity of life we see. The core makeup shared by all living things have the necessary complex information built in that facilitates rapid and responsive adaptation of features and variation while being able to preserve the “kind” that they began as. Life has been created with the creativity built in ready to respond to triggering events.
Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth have the same core, it is virtually certain that living organisms have been thought of AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator endowed with the super language we know as DNA that switched on the formation of the various kinds, the cattle, the swimming creatures, the flying creatures, etc… in a pristine harmonious state and superb adaptability and responsiveness to their environment for the purpose of populating the earth that became subject to the ravages of corruption by the sin of one man (deleterious mutations).
IDvolution considers the latest science and is ** **consistent with the continuous teaching of the Church.

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buffalo said:
God breathed the **language **of DNA. DNA itself is the storage and communication medium. All life shares a basic 500 or so “immortal” genes. From that basic core all life we see came.

This accounts for the diversity of life we see. The core makeup shared by all living things have the necessary complex information built in that facilitates rapid and responsive adaptation of features and variation while being able to preserve the “kind” that they began as. Life has been created with the creativity built in ready to respond to triggering events.
Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth have the same core, it is virtually certain that living organisms have been thought of AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator endowed with the super language we know as DNA that switched on the formation of the various kinds, the cattle, the swimming creatures, the flying creatures, etc… in a pristine harmonious state and superb adaptability and responsiveness to their environment for the purpose of populating the earth that became subject to the ravages of corruption by the sin of one man (deleterious mutations).
IDvolution considers the latest science and is ** **consistent with the continuous teaching of the Church.

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Ahh, so its a hybrid of Creationism and Evolution, leaning toward Creationism. Thanks.
 
supertubos said:
Sorry, the evidence is overwhelming.
BUT…Faith has got a place on it.
God created Man:thumbsup:
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The evidence is sketchy at best.

It’s analogous to the following: It’s like finding a drawing of a nose that belongs to a specific person and then drawing in the rest of the face and then tranforming the drawing into a photo and say this is the man/woman.
 
rbarcia said:
Same claims again and again. .
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Uh, no dear, science is based on empirical evidence, not ‘empty claims’. The ‘empty claims’ belong to the ‘creationists’ and Bible literalists.

Also, you are confused. First you deny that humans evolved from ‘monkey-like’ ancestors, now it’s ‘apes’. The fact is that all primates, human and non-human, evolved from earlier species, all the way back to single cells. So the more recent of man’s primitive ancestors may have been ‘monkey-like’ to some extent, but apes evolved along with humans, like different limbs on a tree.

Your mind, however, is obviously closed. But in that respect you are not alone. Lots of people are just as certain that we faked the moon landings and that it was the Jews who attacked the twin towers.
 
beeliner said:
Uh, no dear, science is based on empirical evidence, not ‘empty claims’. The ‘empty claims’ belong to the ‘creationists’ and Bible literalists.

Also, you are confused. First you deny that humans evolved from ‘monkey-like’ ancestors, now it’s ‘apes’. The fact is that all primates, human and non-human, evolved from earlier species, all the way back to single cells. So the more recent of man’s primitive ancestors may have been ‘monkey-like’ to some extent, but apes evolved along with humans, like different limbs on a tree.

Your mind, however, is obviously closed. But in that respect you are not alone. Lots of people are just as certain that we faked the moon landings and that it was the Jews who attacked the twin towers.
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Evolution is not observable, repeatable and predictable so therefore it is not empirical.
 
beeliner said:
Gee, I guess Darwin spent all that time in the Galapagos working on his suntan.
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Buffalo is absolutely correct. And all you can come up is a smart elic remark as a rebuttal that has nothing to do with what he said?:confused: Historians conjecture after lengthy studies of historical documents. What’s interesting about that is that historians do not come up with the same exact understanding of those events. The same is true for evolutionary science. None of it is empirically provable. It’s mostly conjecture…a giant puzzle that scientist try to fit the pieces. That’s why I gave an analogy in my previous post.
 
Jack_Bauer said:
Buffalo is absolutely correct. And all you can come up is a smart elic remark as a rebuttal that has nothing to do with what he said?:confused: Historians conjecture after lengthy studies of historical documents. What’s interesting about that is that historians do not come up with the same exact understanding of those events. The same is true for evolutionary science. None of it is empirically provable. It’s mostly conjecture…a giant puzzle that scientist try to fit the pieces. That’s why I gave an analogy in my previous post.
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Nonsense doesn’t merit any more than a ‘smart elic’ (I always thought it was “Aleck”) remark.

Anyone is free to reject knowledge in favor of superstition and ignorance.

I’ll go with scientific reality. His Holiness, actually, the last several of their Holinesses, have gone likewise, while of course stressing the religious implications of human life and its higher purpose, about which science is silent.

I’m still waiting for the name of that Catholic university.
 
beeliner said:
Nonsense doesn’t merit any more than a ‘smart elic’ (I always thought it was “Aleck”) remark.

Anyone is free to reject knowledge in favor of superstition and ignorance.

I’ll go with scientific reality. His Holiness, actually, the last several of their Holinesses, have gone likewise, while of course stressing the religious implications of human life and its higher purpose, about which science is silent.

I’m still waiting for the name of that Catholic university.
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Two can play this game - name me the Catholic Universities faithful to the Magisterium. Name me the ones that have signed the Mandatum.
 
buffalo said:
Two can play this game - name me the Catholic Universities faithful to the Magisterium. Name me the ones that have signed the Mandatum.
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I don’t regard it as a game, but the exchange is getting a little tiresome, to the point where it might be characterized as a waste of web space.

I haven’t the slightest notion of how Catholic universities interface with the Vatican, it might be a good subject for a new thread.

The evolution of species, from single-celled organisms to primates, through natural selection and other processes, is the absolute cornerstone of modern biology. If the biology textbook has, say, fifty chapters, evolution is there in every chapter in one form or another.

Throwing away the book and replacing it with two chapters of Genesis, both cribbed from earlier, clearly fictional, mutually contradictory pagan myths, is really quite outrageous, and it is amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people like yourself and some other posters to this thread would do so if given the opportunity.
 
Earnest_Bunbury said:
There are many more evolution scenario theories other than apes to humans. This is not what we are talking about when Catholics espouse evolution.

Like all orthodox protestants, we take God and His Word, Jesus, as well as the Bible as the foundation principle of truth. All truth comes from God and, as Romans 1:20 indicates, the Nature of God is mirrored in His Creation and as cause to effect, can tell us truths about Him.

It is an error that assumes to know all truth based on our personal or exclusive reading of the Bible. God is the source of all Truth and we can be led to knowledge of Him by His Creation, if we accept the truth in humility. Humility is important since we very often have hidden sins that lead us astray, hence: Psalms 18:13 “Who can understand sins? from my secret ones cleanse me, O Lord”. Listen and learn… and stop thinking Catholics are wrong just because we are Catholic.
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Very well said, and it works for this Protestant also. 👍
 
beeliner said:
I don’t regard it as a game, but the exchange is getting a little tiresome, to the point where it might be characterized as a waste of web space.

I haven’t the slightest notion of how Catholic universities interface with the Vatican, it might be a good subject for a new thread.

The evolution of species, from single-celled organisms to primates, through natural selection and other processes, is the absolute cornerstone of modern biology. If the biology textbook has, say, fifty chapters, evolution is there in every chapter in one form or another.

Throwing away the book and replacing it with two chapters of Genesis, both cribbed from earlier, clearly fictional, mutually contradictory pagan myths, is really quite outrageous, and it is amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people like yourself and some other posters to this thread would do so if given the opportunity.
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Well then the Catholic University challenge is bogus.

Yes indeed - it is the cornerstone of biology. One question - do the biology textbooks still teach Junk DNA?

Ahhhhh - now you gave yourself away - Genesis was not cribbed from earlier accounts. But I do welcome you to post your source and then I will deal with it.

I am interested in the truth, wherever it leads, are you?
 
beeliner said:
Uh, no dear, science is based on empirical evidence, not ‘empty claims’. The ‘empty claims’ belong to the ‘creationists’ and Bible literalists.

Also, you are confused. First you deny that humans evolved from ‘monkey-like’ ancestors, now it’s ‘apes’. The fact is that all primates, human and non-human, evolved from earlier species, all the way back to single cells. So the more recent of man’s primitive ancestors may have been ‘monkey-like’ to some extent, but apes evolved along with humans, like different limbs on a tree.

Your mind, however, is obviously closed. But in that respect you are not alone. Lots of people are just as certain that we faked the moon landings and that it was the Jews who attacked the twin towers.
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The last few lines were not called for. The fact is, God was a causal agent in whatever process occurred. You don’t have to believe me.

I am also tired of evolution evangelism here.
I am tired of attacks on Biblical Literalists as well.

What would be the specific, tangible results of a person taking the Bible literally, especially Genesis? I’ve never gotten a good answer.

Peace,
Ed
 
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