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Good Evening TrueToFaith: I hope all is well with you today. I would like to point out if I may that there are lots of even more significant disparities between the Gospels and I’m sure we’re all aware of them so I won’t delve into that. The point is that most eye witness accounts don’t claim to be divinely inspired, nor are people normally compelled to say “The word of the Lord” after they read eye an witness account to a group of people. I think that the point is if we’re going to say that something is divinely inspired or infallible, or 100 percent literally true, we are setting ourselves up for a credibility crisis. Because people can read. I would be happier if we were more honest with ourselves and after reading the gospels we said something like “man, I really hope this is true” or “this is what Luke said he saw” or something like that. Because that’s the truth isn’t it? If that wasn’t the truth, then no one who attends mass would have the slightest fear of death and suffering and yet just about all of us do fear death and suffering. We fear it a lot. The point is, if we can’t be honest in church then all bets are off when we go back out in the streets. So - just being honest here.

All the best,
Gary
Good morning Gary,
No, that isn’t the truth. The fear of death is the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit. John 16:8 “And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement”. There is the crux of the problem. Are those who fear saved? Anyone who is in a state of sin has good reason to fear. This scripture explains it a little. 1John 4:18 “There is no fear in love; perfect love drives out all fear. So then, love has not been made perfect in anyone who is afraid, because fear has to do with punishment”

If they are not saved, how does one get saved? Romans 10:9 “If you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised Him from death, you will be saved. For it is by our faith that we are put right with God, it is by our confession that we are saved.” “Everyone who calls out to the Lord for help will be saved”

The reference to confession is our acceptance and declaration to God that Jesus took our place on the cross. Romans 10:8 “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him with not be put to shame” Romans 10:16 “But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
So why are so many of those who go to mass still in fear? Have they missed the freedom from fear God has provided? Ephesians 1:7 “For by the blood of Christ we are set free, that is, our sins are forgiven.” Romans 6:22 “But now you have been set free from sin and are the slaves of God. Your gain is a life fully dedicated to Him, and the result is eternal life”
Do they depend on their own works, thinking they can do something to pay for their own sins? Ephesians 2:8 “For it is by God’s grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God’s gift, so that no one can boast about it” God tells us how to go to Him.
Have they tried to go to Him some other way? John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me”

I made my confession of faith in September, 1988. I prayed something like this, once.
Dear Jesus,
I admit that I am a sinner. I believe that You died on the cross for my sins. Forgive me my sins and come into my heart right now. Help me to turn from my sins and to live for You from this day on. In Jesus name.
I prayed with conviction, from my heart. In the days and weeks that followed, I knew that my life had changed, radically. I had changed. The weight of sin, like a great burden was gone. I was hungry to know God. I read my bible and for the first time, it made sense. The conflict that I battled with every time I tried to read my bible, was no more. I prayed and there was a witness in my heart that God heard me and He was my Father. Romans 8:16 “The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.” 8:28 “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God” This I have seen God do throughout my 24 years in knowing God. It doesn’t matter how bad the situation is, God always, always turns it for good, for my good. I trust God from experience. From seeing Him do what His Word says He will do.

That day in Sept 1988, when I gave my life to Christ, I no longer feared death. If I am saved, why would I still fear death? I didn’t just say to myself, oh great, I am saved now I don’t have to be afraid to die. It was the result of believing that the blood Jesus shed for my sins was sufficient. It is His righteousness that He has imputed to me that makes me right with God. My righteousness is like a filthy rag.
Paul did not fear death. Philipians 1:23 “For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.” This is what everyone, who has been made right with God, experiences. If anyone doesn’t have this, the fear of God’s judgement is upon them. The conviction of the Holy Spirit testifying that they are in a state of sin. Separated from God.
To die in this state will mean they face God as their judge; not as their Saviour.
Carmen
 
Don’t you people realize the 4 gospels are eye witness reports of what happened? Just like at the scene of an accident one eye witness has more information than another. It doesn’t make it wrong…it is reported from a different vantage point & how many times the cock crowed may have been more important to one writer than to another!
Do you believe all things supported by eye witness testimony are true?
 
Absolutely true. Well said. The bible is the tool God is using to bring us to salvation. Who knows the mind of God. Who are we to question Him. To hear someone dispute the veracity of any part of the bible makes me cringe. You can’t cherry pick. God put it in there for a reason. Complain when you have believed God, trusted Him, put your faith in Him to fulfil His promises and you get zilch. But you know, even then, the fault does not lie with God.
Carmen
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I am in agreement with a lot you have to say; and also believe that you are judging harshly what others have to say about Sacred Scripture. I discern that some Catholics do not take as seriously as they should what the Lord is telling us in the scriptures. I believe that scripture is inerrant in its meaning, but I do not agree that those who interpret in a way that takes into account obvious science is wrong in the way they interpret scripture, as long as what is true and from the Lord is not tampered with.

GOD CREATED! It is perfectly fine to believe Genesis the way you do, and it is perfectly fine to interpret Genesis with the aid of obvious scientific findings.

Peace in Jesus,

Dorothy
 
I am in agreement with a lot you have to say; and also believe that you are judging harshly what others have to say about Sacred Scripture. I discern that some Catholics do not take as seriously as they should what the Lord is telling us in the scriptures. I believe that scripture is inerrant in its meaning, but I do not agree that those who interpret in a way that takes into account obvious science is wrong in the way they interpret scripture, as long as what is true and from the Lord is not tampered with.

GOD CREATED! It is perfectly fine to believe Genesis the way you do, and it is perfectly fine to interpret Genesis with the aid of obvious scientific findings.

Peace in Jesus,

Dorothy
Because Catholicism has the doctrine that all humankind descended from two sole fully-complete humans with true spiritual souls, there are some scientific proposals which contradict this doctrine.
 
Because Catholicism has the doctrine that all humankind descended from two sole fully-complete humans with true spiritual souls, there are some scientific proposals which contradict this doctrine.
I am certainly not well-schooled in this topic in order to speak about it with any clarity, and wouldn’t want to spread misinformation that misleads others.

I do believe that what it says in the encyclical “Humani Generis” is designed to speak to those who insist on some theories and are given speculation about the Lord infusing souls into (theory of pre-existing humanoids?) a male and female. It sounded to me that the pope did not want those of weak faith to lose it altogether. It sounded to me that he was pointing out a theory, and that it did not take away from the truth that God created.

I do not have a formal education in theology, science, philosophy, I learn about our faith through praying, reading, listening to others, and staying close to the teaching authority of the Church.

May the Lord grant us all the ability to speak of these things with His Wisdom.
 
I am in agreement with a lot you have to say; and also believe that you are judging harshly what others have to say about Sacred Scripture. I discern that some Catholics do not take as seriously as they should what the Lord is telling us in the scriptures. I believe that scripture is inerrant in its meaning, but I do not agree that those who interpret in a way that takes into account obvious science is wrong in the way they interpret scripture, as long as what is true and from the Lord is not tampered with.

GOD CREATED! It is perfectly fine to believe Genesis the way you do, and it is perfectly fine to interpret Genesis with the aid of obvious scientific findings.

Peace in Jesus,

Dorothy
Hi Dorothy
I really don’t want to be harsh. I am sorry if I have been too harsh. My greatest desire is to see people get saved. When I see people, all I can focus on is eternity. Where are they going to spend eternity? If I know they are being mislead and are on the wrong track then I have to try and get them reconciled to God.

I am a Christian because people helped me along the bumpy road. Encouraging me when I was in despair. Exhorting when I was straying. Correcting when I was misled.

I know that sometimes the Word of God, which is relevant to a belief under discussion can be difficult to accept, and seem too brutal. But if it is true, it is possible that it will be the driving force in someones life that will fuel a serious commitment to seek God and find the path to salvation.

You have been very kind in the way you brought this fault to my attention. I thank you and I will try to show the love of Christ in future.
I do have a problem seeing it when I have been judgmental. If you could please show me where I have done this, I would be grateful. The last thing I want to be is judgemental.

Your sister in Christ Jesus
Carmen
 
I am certainly not well-schooled in this topic in order to speak about it with any clarity, and wouldn’t want to spread misinformation that misleads others.

I do believe that what it says in the encyclical “Humani Generis” is designed to speak to those who insist on some theories and are given speculation about the Lord infusing souls into (theory of pre-existing humanoids?) a male and female. It sounded to me that the pope did not want those of weak faith to lose it altogether. It sounded to me that he was pointing out a theory, and that it did not take away from the truth that God created.

I do not have a formal education in theology, science, philosophy, I learn about our faith through praying, reading, listening to others, and staying close to the teaching authority of the Church.

May the Lord grant us all the ability to speak of these things with His Wisdom.
God didn’t intend the Bible to be read by people with college degrees in theology etc., It was meant for the common person.
 
God didn’t intend the Bible to be read by people with college degrees in theology etc., It was meant for the common person.
Before the invention of the printing press in the 15th century, most people were illiterate and only a small number of educated people like priests or monks were able to read the Bible. Everyone else learned a little bit about what was in the Bible from church or from stained glass windows.

Even now, many Christians don’t know much of what’s in the Bible. They don’t know the stories about how Noah got drunk or that Abraham’s wife Sarah was his sister or that Lot’s daughters committed incest with their father or that David got Uriah killed so that he could marry Uriah’s wife Bathsheba.

I saw a Youtube video online by a former Christian youth leader in South Carolina named Joshua Evans who was so shocked when he finally read those stories that he decided to become a Muslim. 😉
 
Hi Dorothy
I really don’t want to be harsh. I am sorry if I have been too harsh. My greatest desire is to see people get saved. When I see people, all I can focus on is eternity. Where are they going to spend eternity? If I know they are being mislead and are on the wrong track then I have to try and get them reconciled to God.

I am a Christian because people helped me along the bumpy road. Encouraging me when I was in despair. Exhorting when I was straying. Correcting when I was misled.

I know that sometimes the Word of God, which is relevant to a belief under discussion can be difficult to accept, and seem too brutal. But if it is true, it is possible that it will be the driving force in someones life that will fuel a serious commitment to seek God and find the path to salvation.

You have been very kind in the way you brought this fault to my attention. I thank you and I will try to show the love of Christ in future.
I do have a problem seeing it when I have been judgmental. If you could please show me where I have done this, I would be grateful. The last thing I want to be is judgemental.

Your sister in Christ Jesus
Carmen
Carmen,

Thank you for your very kind response!

The part that upset me is when you mentioned about Catholics going to Mass and (I am not looking at the post right now so don’t remember the exact words) not living up to the words of Jesus in the bible. It sounded like you were putting us down and that how could they (Catholics) become holy?

Your kind response truly makes me feel you are a sister in the Lord with me. 🙂

God bless you,

Dorothy
 
God didn’t intend the Bible to be read by people with college degrees in theology etc., It was meant for the common person.
And, I am one of the common people. 🙂

(We do need theologians too!)

P.S. Our Lord Jesus Christ did not choose his apostles from those with degrees. Most of them were fishermen who became fishers of men.
 
Before the invention of the printing press in the 15th century, most people were illiterate and only a small number of educated people like priests or monks were able to read the Bible. Everyone else learned a little bit about what was in the Bible from church or from stained glass windows.

Even now, many Christians don’t know much of what’s in the Bible. They don’t know the stories about how Noah got drunk or that Abraham’s wife Sarah was his sister or that Lot’s daughters committed incest with their father or that David got Uriah killed so that he could marry Uriah’s wife Bathsheba.

I saw a Youtube video online by a former Christian youth leader in South Carolina named Joshua Evans who was so shocked when he finally read those stories that he decided to become a Muslim. 😉
How sad that the when the Youtube video was seen by him he was shocked. In the Old Testament those people did not have knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ yet.

And, now we need more than ever Christians to pick up their cross and follow the Lord, grow in His love, and show people who do not know Him that he is the way, the truth, and the life.
 
Are those who fear saved? Anyone who is in a state of sin has good reason to fear. This scripture explains it a little. 1John 4:18 "There is no fear in love; perfect love drives out all fear. So then, love has not been made perfect in anyone who is afraid, because fear has to do with punishment.
 
Gary wrote:

"I imagine that in some ways it is the result of being told from an early age that we are bad and that we are filthy rags by nature, that we are unworthy sinners, and by reciting things that reinforce these ideas every week at the start of the mass, and being told the same in sermons and homilies, and also being told that that there is a price to pay for all of this - a price someone else had to pay because we were so awful at everything that God had to do it Himself. And even then, we are told that somehow for the most part we still don’t get it right, and there’s a price to pay for that too - eternal suffering. I think this has something to do with it, but again that’s just my own observation. "

Oh my! How sad that you experienced that. In all the Catholic churches I have heard homilies in I have never experienced such an attitude. The good news of our Lord Jesus Christ was explained in a way that our fallen nature was explained, and how God’s love gave us the remedy.
 
Gary wrote:

"I imagine that in some ways it is the result of being told from an early age that we are bad and that we are filthy rags by nature, that we are unworthy sinners, and by reciting things that reinforce these ideas every week at the start of the mass, and being told the same in sermons and homilies, and also being told that that there is a price to pay for all of this - a price someone else had to pay because we were so awful at everything that God had to do it Himself. And even then, we are told that somehow for the most part we still don’t get it right, and there’s a price to pay for that too - eternal suffering. I think this has something to do with it, but again that’s just my own observation. "

Oh my! How sad that you experienced that. In all the Catholic churches I have heard homilies in I have never experienced such an attitude. The good news of our Lord Jesus Christ was explained in a way that our fallen nature was explained, and how God’s love gave us the remedy.
Yes. That’s the grace of God
Carmen
 
carmenp1;12767905:
Good Evening Carmenp1: I don’t think fear has to be tied to punishment. We are natural beings and all natural beings know fear. Being hunted by another animal causes fear. Almost falling off a cliff causes fear. A serious illness causes fear. Being in heavy turbulence on a plane causes fear for many. And yet none of these things happen as punishment. Fear is a natural reaction to perceived threats to our wellbeing.

I imagine that in some ways it is the result of being told from an early age that we are bad and that we are filthy rags by nature, that we are unworthy sinners, and by reciting things that reinforce these ideas every week at the start of the mass, and being told the same in sermons and homilies, and also being told that that there is a price to pay for all of this - a price someone else had to pay because we were so awful at everything that God had to do it Himself. And even then, we are told that somehow for the most part we still don’t get it right, and there’s a price to pay for that too - eternal suffering. I think this has something to do with it, but again that’s just my own observation.

That is quite an accomplishment and I am honestly happy for you.

Personally, I fear that someday I could end up being senile and some minister or priest could get loose in the home I was in, and could tell me something like that, and because of my diminished state, I might believe it.

All the best,
Gary
Gary
God’s gift to us is salvation through believing Jesus died for our sins. He doesn’t condemn us once we have been saved by God’s grace. We are sinners. But God still loves us unconditionally. There is no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. No fear of death as you live your life. At home. At work. Day to day, year after year.
If u are standing on the edge of a cliff or other similar examples is a sensible reaction.
But to go to church, live a Christian life but still fear death, you have missed something critical. Ask God to show you. He will show you.
I wanted to know God, I cried out to Him to lead me to Him. I said I know you are out there somewhere. Lead me to you.
We are not meant to live with guilt all our life. Not once you have been forgiven, redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Then you have relationship with God. Joy. God has a plan for our lives which He brings to fruition for our good, for our peace, changing us day by day into a Christ like person.
Carmen
 
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