Do you believe in any conspiracy theories?

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Forgive my ignorance, but is the question “Do you believe in any conspiracy theories” or, as the phrasing seems to imply, “Do you believe in all conspiracy theories”?

Personally, I am always interested in conspiracy theories, but tend to be highly sceptical and thus reserve judgement. Another factor is that some are far more outlandish than others!
 
FightingFat said:
Forgive my ignorance, but is the question “Do you believe in any conspiracy theories” or, as the phrasing seems to imply, “Do you believe in all conspiracy theories”?
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Yes, “Do you believe in any conspiracy theories”.

*I’ve tweaked the thread title now 🙂
 
Basically, I’ll believe in a conspiracy theory when it’s no longer a theory. It doesn’t make any difference if I believe in a conspiracy theory or not, but I believe the truth always wins out, and when it does, I’ll examine a new piece of history. 😉
 
Considering my life,yes I do. But that is the only conspiracy I believe in. If you don’t understand this answer read my question.
 
I’m reminded of what author John R Schindler, a professor at the US Naval War College had to say on this subject.
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           Modern day historians and commentators are deeply unsympathetic to the notion of conspiracy. There is no harsher critique than to deride a thesis as a "conspiracy theory": no follow-up is required. As a result, the once uncontroversial notion that people do in fact conspire-has not nearly every great revolution or movement begun as a sort of conspiracy ? -has passed from Western political consciousness.
Other parts of the world are not yet so advanced. They take for granted that people and groups indeed conspire, for good and ill. Conspiracy is seldom the prime mover of human events, yet neither is it an absent factor.
 
Basically, I happy to believe that all conspiracy theories are themselves part of a conspiracy theory designed to distract us from the mind control being exercised by (dramatic burst of music e.g. Da Da de Daaaa!)

(1) the CIA
(2) Coca Cola
(3) The Vatican
(4) The Illuminati (spelling?)
(5) everyone else

Of course, it’s the Jesuits wot are behind it all…
 
How do I say this without sounding like some weird hippe looking dude in a satelight van in the middle of the desert doing some underground radio talk show :hmmm:

Let me just say that I question alot of methods our government uses. The only three conspiracies tend to ponder over are the assasination of JFK, 9/11 and whoever drank the last can of sunkist from my fridge.
 
amazon.com/None-Dare-Call-Conspiracy-Allen/dp/0899666612

None Dare Call It Conspiracy is Conspiracy 101. Read it.

Knowing humans, even without any other information, I’d have to suggest that rich and powerful persons would desire to invest their riches and power into staying rich and powerful. Is that just me or am I way off base in my estimation of humans?

Just look at the elitism at play in acceptance to Ivy League universities. As atheist attorney Alan Dershowitz has noted their Affirmative Action for rich, white males program is an unseen force shaping perception and participation. Orientals, who would otherwise heavily earn acceptance, are rationed down to non-threatening numbers; and sons of sons of graduates who do not earn acceptance are admitted via rich, white male Affirmative Action. Or look at Barack Obama, an intellectually unknown quantity, shepherded through Harvard with plenty of cash and having absolutely no revealed scholarly excellence; the head of the Law Review who published absolutely nothing. The perception of excellence as graduating Harvard is enough. Isn’t this the grab for money and power through old school ties a precursor to “conspiracies” as secret, engineered delegations of power?

“The Men Who Killed Kennedy” is a BBC special with parts 6,7 & 8 banned from US television. So now it’s on YouTube. Lee Harvey Oswald was himself part of a conspiracy to kill Cuba’s Castro with super-lethal, fast-growing cancer cells cultivated by his genius-mistress, Judyth Vary Baker.

youtube.com/watch?v=gEltiWZvJ98

“Lee Oswald was an innocent man who gave his life for his country.” Maybe the cure for cancer died with the expulsion of Judyth Vary Baker from the cancer research track she was on because of her objection to the JFK assassination conspirators. I have to say the naivete of those who dismiss all conspiracy theories makes the (Catholic) sheep easy pickings. No wonder the assassination of the first Catholic president was so easily executed. May the Lord enlighten the eyes of our hearts.

Blessed Virgin Mary, Immaculate Heart "pierced with a sword of sorrow that the thoughts of all may be revealed, grant all hearty appetites for truth; expose all thoughts; and cleanse them in the fire of love which is your Son, Jesus Christ’s Sacred Heart. AMEN
 
I can’t think of any that I believe in, but I am usually open to hearing them and sometimes considering them.😃

Perhaps some conspiracy theories have some truth to them.
 
Oswald was a patsy, Fast and Furious was an assault on the 2nd Ammendment and Santa Claus is a second-story guy who got the concept wrong… :cool:
 
I’m kind of inclined to believe that there is more to the JFK assassination than the Warren Commission lets on.
 
I tend to believe conspiracy theories get hype about the slim possibility that a specific evil actually happened, and ignore the mundane wickedness all around us.
 
I am relatively indifferent. Or completely indifferent. If there are any compelling conspiracy theories I probably wouldn’t have the luxury of researching them thoroughly to discover them. I also can’t think of any that I would be interested enough in to bother. The 9/11 conspiracy is something people make too much of a fuss about - of course maybe it changes things that I am not American. I highly suspect that it’s not true, and I also wouldn’t bet on it either way because it seems trivial to me. That aliens built the pyramids is rather silly, or that the government is concealing information about extraterrestrials or UFO’s is ridiculously unlikely.

What else qualifies as a conspiracy theory?.. let’s see, I suppose that Jesus never existed probably qualifies as a conspiracy theory. That’s even related to Theology (and I’m a theologian) and it’s usually not worth my time.

I suppose I don’t believe in any conspiracy theories… That’s not to say I don’t have any very odd beliefs (for instance I have entertained Brahe’s Geocentrism as a possibility), but it seems to me that those don’t qualify as conspiracy theories, even if embarrassingly fringe.

hrm, I in fact care so little about conspiracy theories that I am surprised that I posted. 🤷
 
I partially believe in the NWO/Freemasonry stuff but as I see it the problem is that nobody knows enough to know the whole truth, so the result is that anyone can gather bits and pieces to attack any group they don’t like, be it religion, atheism, the Church, Jews, conservatives, liberals, etc., in the same manner that history can be twisted in order for one group to attack another.
 
I ticked “yes” in that I believe there are conspiracies, and due to the influence of an old pastor, I suspect there’s something like a modern Illuminati in existence, although I couldn’t prove it.

That there are conspiracies is not in doubt. What would you call a terrorist movement? A group of generals meeting to seize power from the current ruler of their nation? A nation seeking to obtain nuclear weapons by underhand methods? A small group of sportsmen colluding together to fix a match?

If however you mean a conspiracy to achieve world power, I remember a comment by an old pastor I knew, and greatly respected. Incidentally he had little interest in “last days” stuff, and once said to me that a lot of American end-times theology was a “bit weird”.

However he also said on one occasion to me, “I think they (Illuminati) are alive and well”. And I think by that he was inferring there was a cabal of well connected individuals towards a world government. As an Australian, I suppose I would regard Franklin D. Roosevelt as an outstanding American president. However I also read in what seemed to be a reasonable Catholic apologetic web site that he stacked the US Federal Court with freemasons in the 1930’s and 1940’s.

From the following link -

catholicbible101.com/thefreemasons.htm
Most of the Supreme Court rulings in the USA that have incorporated this alleged “separation of church and state” (words not found in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence, by the way), came about because Franklin Roosevelt, himself a Freemason, stacked the Supreme Court with his fellow Freemasons during the 1930s and 1940s.
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In one sense that’s a conspiracy.

But proving there is something like an “Illuminati” is another story. By the time the truth came out, it would probably be too late to do anything about it anyway.
 
Just the JFK assassination theories. Other than that, nothing else
 
Bob_Crowley said:
From the following link -

catholicbible101.com/thefreemasons.htm

In one sense that’s a conspiracy.
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In regards to your link, there had always been a separation of Church and State. The Declaration of Independence may not mention it, but it holds no legal merit whatsoever. It’s just a message to the King. The first sentence of the First Amendment establishes the separation by saying that there will be no laws respecting the establishment of a religion. Separation of Church and State is also directly mentioned in the Treaty of Tripoli
 
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