Do you believe in reincarnation, rebirth, or a permanent afterlife?

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Hi everyone! I have recently decided to convert to Mahayana Buddhism and as such, I decided that I would create a poll to see how many people on here believe in reincarnation, rebirth, or a permanent afterlife such as Heaven or Hell. I suspect that most people, this being a Catholic forum, will believe in a permanent afterlife. 😉
 
Hi everyone! I have recently decided to convert to Mahayana Buddhism and as such, I decided that I would create a poll to see how many people on here believe in reincarnation, rebirth, or a permanent afterlife such as Heaven or Hell. I suspect that most people, this being a Catholic forum, will believe in a permanent afterlife. 😉
You didn’t really – did you…?
 
I believe in the New Birth, the Resurrection & the Life, and that there may be some tongue-in-cheek sarcasm running through this thread 😉
 
Goodness Holly you changed religions again.I do worry for you constantly changing from Catholic to a range of other denominations.Take good care of yourself

I hope you are well and God bless you with whatever you do
 
You didn’t really – did you…?
Yes, actually, I did. 🙂 I chose to do some research on Buddhism recently and while doing so, I realized that I agreed with pretty much everything that Buddhism teaches. I found their world view to be very compatible with my own deeply held views. Buddhism fits me far better than Catholicism ever did. 👍
I believe in the New Birth, the Resurrection & the Life, and that there may be some tongue-in-cheek sarcasm running through this thread 😉
There is no tongue-in-cheek sarcasm coming from me. 🙂
Excellent choice! Not that I am biased or anything, but… 🙂

rossum
Hehehe. Thanks Rossum! 👍
 
“The ultimate truth is that there is no Ultimate Truth.”
That being the case, one would have to disregard that statement. Unless of course there is no ultimate truth except for that statement, which would mean there is an ultimate truth. In any case,…
 
Holly has stated many times that she suffers from Borderline Personality Disorder. This is very typical behavior.
Yes, I do suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder and yes, frequent changing of religion is typical behavior of such a disorder. However, I can pretty much assure you that I chose Buddhism after much research with me agreeing profoundly with what I read. I haven’t been happy with Catholicism for at least a week now.
Goodness Holly you changed religions again.I do worry for you constantly changing from Catholic to a range of other denominations.Take good care of yourself

I hope you are well and God bless you with whatever you do
Thanks for your concern tbcrawford but I really see no reason for your concern. Anyway, thanks for the well wishes! 👍
 
“The ultimate truth is that there is no Ultimate Truth.”
That being the case, one would have to disregard that statement. Unless of course there is no ultimate truth except for that statement, which would mean there is an ultimate truth. In any case,…
Umm, what? 🤷:confused:
 
Umm, what? 🤷:confused:
I know, I don’t think I understand everything about what I just said either. How is everything in Evansville? We’re up here in the northern part(Michigan City) of the great state of IN. Lookin’ forward to the basketball game tonight between the Bulldogs and the Spartans.
 
Good luck on your new path. Take a look at youtube for Tsemtulku he has some great videos on Buddhism from a Tibetan view
 
Yes, I do suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder and yes, frequent changing of religion is typical behavior of such a disorder. However, I can pretty much assure you that I chose Buddhism after much research with me agreeing profoundly with what I read. I haven’t been happy with Catholicism for at least a week now.
As a Buddhist, then perhaps you can practice Mindfulness and Detachment and focus on the above sentence.

“I haven’t been happy with Catholicism for at least a week now”.

Can you see the absurdity of such a statement, and how it entirely negates any credibility of this statement, “I agree profoundly with what I read”.

Maybe practicing objectivity as a Buddhist will be good for you. Good luck.
 
“The ultimate truth is that there is no Ultimate Truth.”
That being the case, one would have to disregard that statement. Unless of course there is no ultimate truth except for that statement, which would mean there is an ultimate truth. In any case,…
You are not the first to notice my sig. The original source is Mark Siderits, “Thinking on Empty: Madhyamika Anti-Realism and Canons of Rationality” in S Biderman and B.A. Schaufstein, eds, Rationality In Question (1989). Dordrecht: Brill.

I have not read Siderits but saw the quote in a piece on Nagarjuna. The “Madhyamika” in Siderits’ title refers to the religious and philosophical school of Buddhism that Nagarjuna founded. I have seen the same quote again in other places in reference to the Madhyamika and Nagarjuna - it seems quite popular. The quote is intentionally paradoxical; paradox is necessary to remind us that words are insufficient when trying to describe the fundamental nature of reality.

For a philosophical discussion of Nagarjuna and reality see the web article Nagarjuna and the Limits of Thought. The Siderits quote is at the end of section four of the article:

There is, then, no escape. Nagarjuna’s view is contradictory. The contradiction is, clearly a paradox of expressibility. Nagarjuna succeeds in saying the unsayable, just as much as the Wittgenstein of the Tractatus. We can think (and characterize) reality only subject to language, which is conventional, so the ontology of that reality is all conventional. It follows that the conventional objects of reality do not ultimately (non-conventionally) exist. It also follows that nothing we say of them is ultimately true. That is, all things are empty of ultimate existence; and this is their ultimate nature, and is an ultimate truth about them. They hence cannot be thought to have that nature; nor can we say that they do. But we have just done so. As Mark Siderits (1989) has put it, “the ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.”

For a slightly (but only slightly) less philosophical approach to the same idea:The emptiness of emptiness is the fact that not even emptiness exists ultimately, that it is also dependent, conventional, nominal, and in the end it is just the everydayness of the everyday. Penetrating to the depths of being, we find ourselves back on the surface of things and so discover that there is nothing, after all, beneath those deceptive surfaces. Moreover, what is deceptive about them is simply the fact that we assume ontological depth lurking just beneath.

Jay Garfield, “Empty words, Buddhist philosophy and cross-cultural interpretation.” OUP 2002.

rossum
 
As a Buddhist, then perhaps you can practice Mindfulness and Detachment and focus on the above sentence.

“I haven’t been happy with Catholicism for at least a week now”.

Can you see the absurdity of such a statement, and how it entirely negates any credibility of this statement, “I agree profoundly with what I read”.

Maybe practicing objectivity as a Buddhist will be good for you. Good luck.
Excellent words. I was going to post something similar, but you beat me to it.

rossum
 
“Words are insufficient when trying to describe the fundamental nature of reality.” Shouldn’t the statement read “Words are insufficient when trying to describe reality?” It would seem to me that reality has no fundamental or basic nature. That would seem to beg the question, “Is there something more than or beyond reality?” Isn’t reality just that, reality? I don’t know, I’m just expressing my thoughts. When Moses asked God what he should tell the Israelites when they asked him who sent him, God told him to tell them I AM sent me to you. God is my reality and I error saying my reality. God is reality and words are insufficient when trying to describe God.
 
“Words are insufficient when trying to describe the fundamental nature of reality.” Shouldn’t the statement read “Words are insufficient when trying to describe reality?”
If I say “horse”, do you have a reasonable idea of what animal I am talking about? Yes, you probably do. If I say “horse” do you have a precise and complete knowledge of the particular horse I am currently looking at? No, you probably don’t.

Words can describe reality. Words are insufficient to describe the fundamental nature of reality. Words are part of reality; words are not part of the fundamental nature of reality.
It would seem to me that reality has no fundamental or basic nature.
That is what my sig says in its paradoxical way. We will make a Buddhist of you yet. 🙂
God is my reality and I error saying my reality. God is reality and words are insufficient when trying to describe God.
“All descriptions of nirvana are false.”

rossum
 
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