Do you believe in the Big Bang or have you completed the research and know?

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kingpomba said:
If you need one reason at all to believe in Science it’s that it simply works.
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That’s just silly. Science is based on certain metaphysical claims. Simply because science is practical does not mean it is true.
 
Yes I think the big bang is pretty convincing.

Sorry if anyone mentioned this already, but it was a Catholic Priest, (who also happened to be a Professor of Physics and an Astronomer), who first proposed the Big Bang theory - his name was Georges Lemaitre, a Belgian man.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

Of course, secular society deliberately keeps this quiet - the media/popular image of religion is to be that it is backward looking and outmoded, not on the forefront of science.

Much of Lemaitres work has been wrongly (perhaps intentionally wrongly) attributed to Edwin Hubble.

We should note that, prior to the Big Bang theory etc, most scientists believed the Universe had always existed, (“Universe as God”), and laughed at the idea of a creation event.

We can also observe that the outer reachers of the Universe are still expanding, which ties up with the “bang” theory.

Something I like to pitch at non-believers is:

“Do you agree that whatever stimulus caused the big bang must have come from a source/place not within our own universe, given our universe did not exist until after the bang had occured?”

This suggestion usually leads to a lot of hmmming and hawwing, stammering and sudden desire to change the subject from the Godless.
 
GWright said:
Yes I think the big bang is pretty convincing.

Sorry if anyone mentioned this already, but it was a Catholic Priest, (who also happened to be a Professor of Physics and an Astronomer), who first proposed the Big Bang theory…
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It’s come up a few times. Alberti_Devoveo also posted some related links back at message #26.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
It’s come up a few times. Alberti_Devoveo also posted some related links back at message #26.
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Hi ThinkingSapien,

I meant to ask above - what would you think of:
“Do you agree that whatever stimulus caused the big bang must have come from a source/place not within our own universe, given our universe did not exist until after the bang had occured?”
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Take it easy
GWright
 
GWright said:
I meant to ask above - what would you think of:

Quote:
“Do you agree that whatever stimulus caused the big bang must have come from a source/place not within our own universe, given our universe did not exist until after the bang had occured?”
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Can’t say that I know enough to form an opinion of events before T0 or outside of our universe.
 
The Pope believes in evolution and that goes back to the big bang so I follow his lead on this even as I do not on other issues where morals are at question.

Pedophile protecting is where we part ways.

Slave
 
Slave_to_sin said:
The Pope believes in evolution and that goes back to the big bang so I follow his lead on this even as I do not on other issues where morals are at question.

**Pedophile protecting is where we part ways.**Regards
DL
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Qoeleth said:
Also, consider, the proposition- “The universe came into being”. The subject of the proposition is “the universe”. Now, if the subject of the proposition (‘the universe’) does not exist, the proposition cannot be true. On the other hand, if the subject (‘the universe’) does exist, it cannot come into being again. Therefore, the universe never came into being. So, the Big Bang seems to be an absurdity.
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Everyone has been taught a myth about the big bang. Monseigneur Georges Lemaître, the man who proposed the theory, never said it was creation from nothing. He even warned his pope not to think that, but unfortunately no one these days listens. Here’s what Lemaître said:

We may speak of this event as of a beginning. I do not say a creation. Physically it is a beginning in the sense that if something happened before, it has no observable influence on the behavior of our universe, as any feature of matter before this beginning has been completely lost by the extreme contraction at the theoretical zero. Any preexistence of the universe has a metaphysical character. Physically, everything happens as if the theoretical zero was really a beginning. The question if it was really a beginning or rather a creation, something started from nothing, is a philosophical question which cannot be settled by physical or astronomical considerations. - catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=8847
 
inocente said:
Everyone has been taught a myth about the big bang. Monseigneur Georges Lemaître, the man who proposed the theory, never said it was creation from nothing. He even warned his pope not to think that, but unfortunately no one these days listens. Here’s what Lemaître said:

We may speak of this event as of a beginning. I do not say a creation. Physically it is a beginning in the sense that if something happened before, it has no observable influence on the behavior of our universe, as any feature of matter before this beginning has been completely lost by the extreme contraction at the theoretical zero. Any preexistence of the universe has a metaphysical character. Physically, everything happens as if the theoretical zero was really a beginning. The question if it was really a beginning or rather a creation, something started from nothing, is a philosophical question which cannot be settled by physical or astronomical considerations. - catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=8847
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Let’s not always assume the negative, but we need to take into account other factors. Some people hear what they want to hear and ignore the details and some understand, as you’ve quoted, while others create an interpretation to satisfy their own worldview and some try to pass that worldview on to others.

There is a simple example of how a factual account can get distorted in the retelling. Take a roomful of 30 people. Person one is quietly given the information and told to whisper it to the next person who passes it on to the next, until we reach person 30. Odds are that mistakes in the story creep in, or details are lost.

Peace,
Ed
 
Genesis, 1000 B.C. : “Let there be light.”

Carl Sagan in Cosmos, 1980 A.D.

“Ten or twenty billion years ago, something happened – the Big Bang, the event that began our universe…. In that titanic cosmic explosion, the universe began an expansion which has never ceased…. As space stretched, the matter and energy in the universe expanded with it and rapidly cooled. The radiation of the cosmic fireball, which, then as now, filled the universe, moved through the spectrum – from gamma rays to X-rays to ultraviolet light; through the rainbow colors of the visible spectrum; into the infrared and radio regions. The remnants of that fireball, the cosmic background radiation, emanating from all parts of the sky can be detected by radio telescopes today. In the early universe, space was brilliantly illuminated.”
 
Jim_Baur said:
Do you believe in the Big Bang or do you actually know?

I have often pondered whether any of us on these threads has sat and watched the night skies and did all of the research and came to the absolute conclusion–Yes, there was a Big Bang.
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i believe there is a greater possibility of either a big bang or a loud silence when God created everything than the big bang theory being true.
The theory has more “loopholes” now than it did 20 or so years ago. Science is not just about knowledge in my opinion.

Merry Christmas
God bless
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Genesis, 1000 B.C. : “Let there be light.”

Carl Sagan in Cosmos, 1980 A.D.

“Ten or twenty billion years ago, something happened – the Big Bang, the event that began our universe…. In that titanic cosmic explosion, the universe began an expansion which has never ceased…. As space stretched, the matter and energy in the universe expanded with it and rapidly cooled. The radiation of the cosmic fireball, which, then as now, filled the universe, moved through the spectrum – from gamma rays to X-rays to ultraviolet light; through the rainbow colors of the visible spectrum; into the infrared and radio regions. The remnants of that fireball, the cosmic background radiation, emanating from all parts of the sky can be detected by radio telescopes today. In the early universe, space was brilliantly illuminated.”
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There was darkness TheN light.

Merry Christmas
God bless
 
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