Do you believe the Shroud of Turin is the Burial Cloth of Jesus Christ?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Mannyfit75
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
M

Mannyfit75

Guest
I watch a documentary on the Shroud of Turin and based on the findings by scientists, the Shroud is authentic. I once doubted its authenticity, but now I truly believe the burial cloth of the Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ.

The documentary is called Fabric of Time.
 
I’m fairly confident that it’s the real deal. But if its proven false, it won’t put a dent in my religious faith, nor should it.
 
On Good Friday in my church we had one of the scientists who worked on the 1970something committe to research it in Italy.

He gave a very convincing argument for it being the real deal. He went into not only biblical truths about the cruxifiction but the history of the Romans(the torture tools they used and how it matched the wounds on the shroud.

He went into some gory detail(which kept my 8 year old son totally captivated:rolleyes: ) It was kind of gross and made me cringe several times.😦 He mentioned most of what the special on TV spoke about as well. He,of course, put a biblical spin on it simply because he is a christian as well as a scientist.👍

In the end he said science will never be able to prove it. So there ya go:shrug:

That is why I voted I dont know.🤷
 
I think it is worthy of veneration as an icon. If anyone’s faith depends upon the authenticity of the Shroud–or of the miracle of Lanciano, the authenticity of the Fatima appearances, or a relic of the true cross, or any created object or anything outside Divine Revelation as protected and transmitted by the Catholic Church through Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then their faith is weak and is in vain.
 
puzzleannie said:
I think it is worthy of veneration as an icon. If anyone’s faith depends upon the authenticity of the Shroud–or of the miracle of Lanciano, the authenticity of the Fatima appearances, or a relic of the true cross, or any created object or anything outside Divine Revelation as protected and transmitted by the Catholic Church through Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then their faith is weak and is in vain.
Click to expand...
Some great Person put it best:
You believe because you have seen, Thomas? Blessed are those who haven’t seen and still believe!
Click to expand...
 
The only thing that scientist cannot explain is how did the image in the shroud appear there? One scientist say it was the resurrection when Jesus enlighten up the tomb. The light he produce was enough to cause the image similiar to a burn, yet scientist cannot explain how it go there… He mention something about an EVENT Horizon. That the body of the shroud levitated up and the light from body spread out in both direction. Event Horizon is commonly use when describing point of no return… where nothing escape from the center.

The light is cause by something unnatural. I believe it to be supernatural.
 
What is most fascinating to me is the age of the cloth and the fact that it is a perfect negative image - You know - like a negative of a photograph.

But photography wasn’t invented at the time the cloth was made/discovered.

So, if the cloth is a fake, there is another mystery to unfold; Who was this brilliant artist that was able to produce a negative image?

Someone told me, a negative image without photography is like trying to sign your name inside out, upside down, and back-to-front. Our brains are just not able to do it. So, who was this brilliant artist who faked the cloth? Or maybe, just maybe, the cloth is real.

That’s why I voted “Yes”.

(It is important to realize that the image we are accustomed to seeing is a negative of the image on the cloth. The one on the left is the actual cloth.)
 
It could be real, Im not sure. Id like it to be real. But I do know that it will never be proven until Christ comes.

My thought is that if we had proof complete then everyone will worship the thing, and the Lord would not allow something of His to be worshiped in that way. So I think He purposely “blocks” total proof. So we may exercise our faith.

whats everyone think?
 
 
The most damning proof I’ve seen regarding a way to forge it, was someone laid a cloth out in the desert sun for days. It bleached the material, but left an image of an object placed directly on the material. But I’m not sure how well it would have held up over numerous centuries. Nor do I recall if it produced a negative in 3D like the Shroud does.
 
I voted no, but I should’ve said that I’m not sure - because I’m not. I do find the arguments against it to be rather convincing, especially the case for how uncannily large for a Jew Jesus would’ve been with pronounced Germanic features, at that!

However, I also find the case for its authenticity intriguing, as well - especially considering the degree of technicality required to produce such a fraud, if it is.
 
I have read quite a bit about it, & I think that it is almost surely real.
But I certainly wouldn’t be upset to find out it wasn’t. Surprised, but not upset…It wouldn’t shake my faith at all in Christianity, I mean.
 
As Catholics we are free to believe it is genuine or not but nobody’s faith should ever hang on it. I tend more to believe in it than not. However, everyone has to recognise that it can NEVER be proven to be the burial cloth of Christ. How could that ever be proven? The best science could ever do is to prove it is 2000 years old but that has not been done yet. The only thing that has been proven yet is that pollen or spores attached to it are found in the Holy Land.
 
NotWorthy said:
The most damning proof I’ve seen regarding a way to forge it, was someone laid a cloth out in the desert sun for days. It bleached the material, but left an image of an object placed directly on the material. But I’m not sure how well it would have held up over numerous centuries. Nor do I recall if it produced a negative in 3D like the Shroud does.
Click to expand...
It doesn’t produce the same negative 3D image. Some other mysterious items to note:
  1. aside from the fact that people don’t know how the negative image got on the cloth, there’s more to it than that… the image isn’t ON the cloth… it’s not in the cloth or in the fibers, and no matter how much wear occurs to the surface of the cloth the image does not fade (the only way that makes sense is if the image were made through the whole of the cloth (which, as I said, it is not). It’s as though the image is suspended just above the cloth rather than directly in the fibers.
  2. 3-D imaging… using a computer, one can model a 3-D object from a photograph of said object. HOWEVER, when the photograph is of a flat object (like a painting, etc) there is no way to make a 3D model. When they brought in a photo of the shroud of turin, scientists said it would never work… but they indulged the researchers by trying it out. Low and Behold, the model came out… not as a body muddled covered by a shroud, but a great 3-D model of what Jesus must have looked like in His tomb.
 
I take the Shroud of Turin to be authentic for many reasons. For one, it is a photo-negative. Sure, there are artistic methods that can duplicate it’s photonegativity, but why use that particular artistic method? Would a painting be not impressive enough for the faithful?

Take for example, “Our Lady of Guadalupe” - OLOG looks like a painting and people took that to be a miracle even to the people in Europe at the time. Incidently, OLOG can’t be proven to be a painting, even though it looks like one.

My guess is that the image was left by a burst of light, similar to the shadows that were left when the first atomic bomb went off in Japan.
 
Yes, it is the REAL deal! This video is by far the best so far produced (“The Fabric of Time”, Grizzly Adams Productions)…everyone should watch this for the most recent, correct, and convincing summaries of the current state of Shroud research and knowledge. It is just not arguable any more: the Shroud IS exactly what it appears to be: the authentic burial shroud of Jesus of Nazareth. WATCH THIS VIDEO if you have any doubt!!!

The books referenced at the beginning credits are mandatory reading also…they are the best available.
 
I’m not sure, but more and more I’m leaning toward yes.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top