Do you doubt the NDE of people who have died and went to heaven?

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Atheists staunchly reject NDE’s experiences and come up with all sorts of ideas tring to debunk it.

So, Christians who reject NDE’s are the same side as atheists it seems.

I’m not saying you have to accept NDE’s, but don’t reject what you really don’t know.

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Absolutely zero proof of NDE’s. All we have are some people claiming to have one.
An out of body experience is impossible. The Church teaches infallibly that the soul leaves the body only at death, not near death.
 
We have zero proof of Saints who saw hell and heaven.

Yet, we believe them

Jim
 
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We have zero proof of Saints who saw hell and heaven.

Yet, we believe them

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Apples and oranges Jim. You are talking about two different things.

I repeat that the Church infallibly teaches that the soul leaves the body only at death and not near death.
 
Nope, I’m talking about private revelations, however they might happen.

You can’t prove that a Saint had a vision of Heaven or Hell.

You can only accept what they say as being true of false.

Same for people who experience NDE’s.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Nope, I’m talking about private revelations, however they might happen.

You can’t prove that a Saint had a vision of Heaven or Hell.

You can only accept what they say as being true of false.

Same for people who experience NDE’s.

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NDE’s are completely different. An NDE is not a private revelation because NDE’s do not exist.
If they exist it would contradict an infallible teaching of the Church that the soul leaves the body only at death. It cannot temporarily leave, let its owner have a look around and then go back into the body!!
 
You have no proof that what NDE’s experience is not true.

Don’t even try to disprove them, it’s like atheists who can prove God doesn’t exist.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
You have no proof that what NDE’s experience is not true.

Don’t even try to disprove them, it’s like atheists who can prove God doesn’t exist.

Jim
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I notice you are silent on the infallible teaching of the Church that the soul leaves the body only at death. It does not leave for a while and return!!
 
One NDE I witnessed on YouTube (I will not post a link here) was, what I might term, -more believable- than some others. He was masculine in nature and large in stature. Ultimately he was tearing up and he seemed quite genuine. He was telling his tale from inside the cabin of his pick-up truck, if I recall correctly.

It wasn’t until late in the YouTube episode he said something which seemed potentially anti-catholic. This prompted me to see if he had another postings. In fact he had many and some were strictly vehemently anti-catholic postings. The sole purpose was to bash the faith in an angry and hateful manner.

I asked myself would God allow a man, supposedly sent back into the world to preach Jesus Christ, to behave is such a manner. The answer to that question would seem to be certainly not. Which, if true, would mean one of three things:

Catholicism is in fact false religion (I think we all agree that is not the case).

The man is a liar (possibly, but I doubt it, doesn’t make sense - what would be his motive - to lie - in order to preach the Gospel).

He either dreamed his NDE episode or somehow his brain manufactured it. (Which got me wondering if this is the likely cause for all NDE’s).
 
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The Church has no infallible teaching that the soul could not be sent back into the body, for to make such a statement, would deny the power of God.

Also Saints have had visions of Heaven as if taken out of their bodies.

Dom Bosco thought he was in Purgatory because it was so beautiful, only to learn it was Purgatory.

Jim
 
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Well, if any regular poster on this board happens to have an NDE, please post here and let us know what they think and if it changed your life. (Brittany’s father’s one is interesting.)

I just hope it’s not me any time soon. Have had enough of death and near death lately to last me a lifetime
 
So you doubt anyone who claims to have had a NDE /OOBE. What would you say if it happened to you?
 
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Hi Lilly, Not sure you got the gist of my post. I was saying that if this particular man’s NDE was real then God leaves him believing Catholicism is a false and evil faith. Which wouldn’t make sense.

I have no strong opinion on NDEs, some (many) are certainly fairly convincing. But other’s seem to contradict our Catholic Faith.

By the way, what is OOBE?
 
I can’t speak for others. And certainly not for that man who had one and was so anti-Catholic. But having had a NDE myself (altho I’ve always called it an out of body experience or OOBE), I know they are real.

The reason I call mine an OOBE rather than a NDE is because I associate NDEs as happening in hospitals. Mine happened at home. I do believe I died or was in the process of it even tho I had never heard of anyone having an experience like mine until recently. I remember that morning begging my mother not to go to work because I was going to die that day.

I am not familiar with the Catholic Church’s teaching on the matter, if there is one. But I have no doubt that the Catholic Church is the one true Church even in areas I may disagree about.
 
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I had my experiences, although none were NDE’s. I can count on two hands the people in my immediate circle who have had theirs. But it’s just that moment where you get to experience Reality without being impeded by your senses— and you’re grateful to God for his generosity and love-- and you think, “Woah, if even a dork like me gets to experience something like this—!” and you try and use it to be better so that it doesn’t get wasted. But nothing you can do can ever make something like that happen, or make you worthy of it happening to you specifically. But you hug it close to you when it does.

Whether any particular person is telling the truth, or is just writing something that sounds good for the attention-- I don’t particularly care. That’s between them or God. Just because Person A lies about a carrot they ate doesn’t void the experience of everyone else who’s ever eaten a carrot. So if it turns out that all the hoopla surrounding Situation X turns out to have been manufactured from the ground up, it doesn’t matter-- because that’s not where I go for my Foundation, although I may well find some profit in they way somebody frames a thought.
 
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