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Robert_Sock
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If it’s good for monks and hermits then it’s probably good for us too! When I experience it, it’s like: “That did not come from me, but from God.”
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MHT32
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I do rarely, but this might be the worst possible wording for a poll
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JK8619
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I’m not really sure how that helps. I am going to assume that your intentions are honorable, but your wording in the thread title was a poor choice (which is pretty clear from the confusion that it caused). I would suggest that in the future you may want to clarify that you are referring to a type of prayer when you speak of how often you “ejaculate.” Hope this advice helps.
Also, at first I misread your name as Robert “Shock” instead of “Sock,” which made me think the confusing title was almost certainly intentional. That is obviously not your fault, but it made me laugh when I realized my mistake.
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someperson555
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while i sympathise with you, im going through mental illness right now too. but next time could you use better wording. it really makes me uncomfortable when people refer to it as “ejaculation”.
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AlanFromWichita
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I know exactly what you mean. It isn’t something that I push out – it’s more like it’s drawn out of me. I could practice some of those short ones and they might come to mind, too – but sometimes it doesn’t even have words.
To the poster who brought up the good point that prayer is not about feelings, in this case they are coupled with feelings, but the basis of them are not like emotional warm-fuzzies or anything like that. It’s a much more sublime feeling, a feeling of unity. No, not even a feeling of unity – a knowing beyond both feeling and thought, if you can imagine that. What I find is when it happens for a particular “new” thing, I am more likely to feel sensations, which can happen in any part of the body. Remember that our nervous system is a completely connected internetwork, not just a clump of brain cells spouting commands to the peripherals.
Knowing God in this way is literally a “full body” knowing, and I never experienced it in a “pure” form until very late in my mental/emotional/spiritual healing. That’s because I always tried to keep my thoughts in my head, based on academic and sturdy constructs, essentially in the “Cloud of the Knowing.” It is when I’m reaching the Cloud of the Unknowing that I feel the sensations. When I experience the same environmental triggers that cause the sensations more than once, the senationalism wears off and I can still know it’s happening but without the ceremony that it takes when mixed with strong feelings. If the ceremonies continue in certain “repeat situations,” usually I will find some type of defect that is still alive in my soul and were not killed by previous mortification efforts. Once the little bugs are exposed, though, that in itself becomes an automatic prayer, if even sensational at times, for them to yield to faith and trust, and let go of my soul. Living itself can even become ecstatic, which is awesome, except it is much more calm. Like the difference between a teenage romance, and a long term married couple who are so united they can be sitting quietly in the same room and draw energy from each other.
So ultimately I guess the ejaculations can be coupled with feelings, but over time and spiritual growth might give way to a more subtle, even more satisfying, experience. When it gets to that point, moments of this start connecting together and can form a whole framework of a new mentality, producing much fruit of the spirit!
Really, if you think about the allegorical comparison between things involving sex and other human functions, and quite a few aspects of faith, there are correlations. For example, Jesus and St. Paul both talked about how going through troubled times are like birthing pains of a baby. The troubled times we experience as we are transformed in our journeys, give way to much rejoicing and the pain is forgotten. Even though the prayer-form of ejaculation and the other one are different words and meaning in social impact, both ways are an uncontrolled release of energy. In one case it is purely spiritual; in the other case it is physical. Both can be life-giving, and that’s why I believe the Church is against condoms. Because conscious attempts to control what happens in some form of ecstatic state, prevents the consolation from being as edifying, I suppose. Because the “contraceptive mentality” is one that prevents communications of various forms, which are often spiritual but at least always carry a spiritual component. If they tried to explain this to the people of the time, it would go over their heads. So we hear, for example, about the guy “spilling his seed,” and God struck him down. Because once he was isolated from the Body of Christ, and in this case did so by disobedience with God’s plan. But the image of “spilling the seed,” physically is one that is understood today as it was back then. If that doesn’t make sense, maybe this will: I’m thinking the condom is a device that prevents “life” from being transmitted – therefore the intentional use of such a device is a metaphor for any type of conscious attempts to separate oneself from another, including from God.
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Edward_H
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Another word for these short prayers, which are nice ways of maintaining a presence of God throughout the day, is “aspirations” Like short breaths. Can be said in between hearing your phone ring, and picking it up and saying hello. Or as you walk into a meeting/conference room before a meeting.
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thistle
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“Ejaculations” as you describe it is the wrong word. It is also not something you experience but is a prayer you say (ejaculatory prayers) and then you may experience (as another poster has suggested) exhaltation.
However, ejaculation is more nowadays known as aspiration.
Like others who were initially shocked when they read your post I, too, thought you meant something different as several of your other threads are about masturbation helping you to reach spiritual heights.
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Ophelia23
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Me too. As soon as I saw who the poster was, I figured it was an attention getter with shock value.
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thistle
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I’m not confusing him with anyone. There is only one Robert Sock in these forums. Do a long search on all his posts.
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Ophelia23
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I think I should note: I’m not trying to pick on Robert Sock. He just has a definite style in his postings.
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Robert_Sock
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I NEVER posted anything about masturbation helping me to reach spiritual heights. You are seriously mistaken, and make me look like a buffoon. You really should correct things here.
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Ophelia23
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Robert, I think his wording was off. I think he was referencing some past posts where you mentioned struggling with the subject, and that you were trying to quit a bad habit in order to reach spiritual heights… not make use of the bad habit to attain spiritual heights.
I usually have fun reading your posts and getting into a good debate with you. I want to be extra doubly sure you understand that I am not picking on you when I say you have a definite style in your posts.
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Robert_Sock
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I do believe that fantasies during masturbation involves a certain inward focus of attention that could act as a spiritual tool for listening to God’s ‘voice’ in later life. As Saint Paul states: “In all things God works for the good.”Robert, I think his wording was off. I think he was referencing some past posts where you mentioned struggling with the subject, and that you were trying to quit a bad habit in order to reach spiritual heights… not make use of the bad habit to attain spiritual heights.
I usually have fun reading your posts and getting into a good debate with you. I want to be extra doubly sure you understand that I am not picking on you when I say you have a definite style in your posts.
No insult taken.
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thistle
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To paraphrase you from your other threads you are again implying it is good to commit a mortal sin like masturbation because the struggle to overcome it makes you spiritually stronger. That of course contradicts Church teachings which clearly state it is wrong to commit mortal sins and that the end does not justify the means!
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Robert_Sock
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Nowhere am I saying that masturbation is not a mortal sin, or is OK to engage in. You tend to interpret my posts to your liking, which amounts to slander!
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JK8619
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I do understand thistle’s interpretation of what you said. You did say that good could come from the sin of masturbation. Although you never said masterbation is ok, saying that good could come from this act would naturally lead to the conclusion that you are promoting the idea that the ends justify the means (i.e. masturbation is/can be good).
Also, you did say that masturbation can “act as a spiritual tool.” I have never met a serious Christian that would not be disgusted by that statement. I really hope we are just misunderstanding what you mean by that.
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Robert_Sock
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The key to what I said is in:
God can bring about good from evil, and I believe He brought good from my sins of masturbation.
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AlanFromWichita
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Absolutely. If there is anything that cannot work for good, then Rom 8:28 would have to be revised.
Rom 8:28: “We know that all things work for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose.”
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