Do you enforce Tradition at Mass?

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Most everyone is aware that over the past 40 years, there have been many liturgical abuses in the Church Liturgy and rubrics of Mass. Many of these have become so commonplace and longstanding, at this point, that they are utterly ingrained, and many Catholics don’t know any different.

When attending a Novus Ordo Mass (especially in the vernacular), how do you enforce Tradition?
 
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alessandro:
…I chastise those who receive Communion without prior Confession…
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Leaving aside the question of whether it is my business to do this, just how, exatly, am I to be expected to know exactly who these people are?
 
Wow, sounds like you have a lot of problems. Is there anything about the mass that you like?

Maybe you should talk to your priest about all of these concerns you have.
 
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i dress like DOG the bounty hunter, except i wear more modest shirts.
And i spray the offending sinner with the bear repellent whenever the chance arises.

the big can of bear repellent, too. not the little pepper sprays they sell in wal-mart.

Actually, i hope to get the swiss guard to open a clandestine spy wing called the “Vatican Victors” who’ll go undercover at every Mass around the world and police the actions of everyone who dares enter my horrible and sacred domain. These abuses are outrageous, aggregious and scandalous. And we must protect the bubble we live in. fight on!

keep up the good fight, friend.


“i’m the dog, the big bad dog, the abuse hunter”
 
alessandro said:
Most everyone is aware that over the past 40 years, there have been many liturgical abuses in the Church Liturgy and rubrics of Mass. Many of these have become so commonplace and longstanding, at this point, that they are utterly ingrained, and many Catholics don’t know any different.

When attending a Novus Ordo Mass (especially in the vernacular), how do you enforce Tradition?
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I don’t think any of the things that you’ve listed are actually abuses. I’d love to see these things restored, but the NO Mass, as it currently exists, doesn’t require them.

I hope you’re not implying that the official rubrics of the Church are an “abuse”.
 
alessandro said:
Most everyone is aware that over the past 40 years, there have been many liturgical abuses in the Church Liturgy and rubrics of Mass. Many of these have become so commonplace and longstanding, at this point, that they are utterly ingrained, and many Catholics don’t know any different.

When attending a Novus Ordo Mass (especially in the vernacular), how do you enforce Tradition?
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Given that I am a layperson, and that I am the only one upon whom I can “enforce” anything, I conduct myself according to canon law as much as I am able.

I attended a Newman Center for many years that has become increasingly more progressive. The Blessed Sacrament was removed, the kneelers were removed, and the last straw was when the confiteor was removed from the liturgy. I have not returned since. Canon Law states that the faithful will kneel during the consecration. I know that the local bishop can make exceptions to this, but the service seems to me more Protestant than Catholic. Perhaps I am demonstrating my prejudice.
 
I don’t attend the NO, but when I do (I’m Chaldean), I try my best to avoid creating liturgy by holding hands during the Our Father.
 
alessandro said:
Most everyone is aware that over the past 40 years, there have been many liturgical abuses in the Church Liturgy and rubrics of Mass. Many of these have become so commonplace and longstanding, at this point, that they are utterly ingrained, and many Catholics don’t know any different.

When attending a Novus Ordo Mass (especially in the vernacular), how do you enforce Tradition?
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My question is “Do you?”

How did you answer these questions?
 
I genuflect during the Incarnation of the Creed on Christmas.

I always cover my heat.

I not only strike my heart during “Lord, I am not worthy,” but during the Confieor. And if another form is used, I do not, but I bow my head.

I receive Communion only on the tongue.

I do NOT chit chat in the church, and am not afraid to “admonish” (really too strong of a word, but couldn’t find the right one) people who flip open their cell phones as soon as Mass is ended, and people who talk during the Mass.
 
alessandro said:
Most everyone is aware that over the past 40 years, there have been many liturgical abuses in the Church Liturgy and rubrics of Mass. Many of these have become so commonplace and longstanding, at this point, that they are utterly ingrained, and many Catholics don’t know any different.

When attending a Novus Ordo Mass (especially in the vernacular), how do you enforce Tradition?
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By following what is printed in the Liturgical norms published by Rome.

I say the “Confiteor” (I confess), even if the priest leaves it out.

I don’t make it a point to attempt to insert my own options for various parts of the lliturgy because I think the priest should have choosen a different oprtion.

During the Creed, I genuflect at the words “And He became flesh by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary: and became Man”

Only on the feast of Christmas and the Annuncation. Otherwise we are instructed to bow that those words.

I kneel at the beginning of the “Sanctus” (Holy, Holy, Holy), even when everyone else is still standing

The GIRM instructs that we kneel AFTER the Sanctus, not at the beginning.

I gently beat my chest as I say the “Non sum dignum” (Lord, I’m not worthy to receive thee)

I don’t believe this is in the GIRM either.

(Ladies) I wear a mantilla to cover my head at Mass

This is no longer required in the liturgical law of the church, but can be be a good personal pius practice.

I only receive Communion if I’ve gone to Confession, and I chastise those who receive Communion without prior Confession

Only when I am aware of having committed Mortal sin. I an unable to read the hearts and souls of others.

I receive Communion on the tongue, not in the hand

Either way is a permitted option where I live.

I arrive early… and I say prayers of thanksgiving after Mass, instead of leaving right away

This is a good pius practice and do arrive early to mentally prepare for Mass when I can.

I do not chit-chat in the sacristy, and I chastise those who do

Don’t let me catch you. In the Sanctuary or the main body of the church either.

I admonish people who go to Mass dressed like they’re going to the beach or a night club

I’m not the fashion police, I do agree that some dress inappropriately.

Remember that Liturgical abuse is when we ignore the published norms of the Church. Not when we do not agree with the published norms.
 
The Confiteor is NOT required in the NO. Only some form of the Penitential Rite, which may or may not include the Confiteor. Its omission is in no way even remotely approaching abuse.

Mind you, we said the Confiteor at Mass tonight 👍
 
Sorry, but in my opinion, the choices in the poll sounds like a Pharisee created them.

I hated to be blunt about it, but it had to be said. 🤷
 
The only one I could answer was:
I receive Communion on the tongue, not in the hand
That is the way we do it at my parish for both the OF and EF

The rest had parts or in full that I do not do.
 
I do all except the rebuking, my family and close friends who attend Mass dress appropriately and confess regularly. Some family members need a little encouragement to confess sometimes, but that’s it.
As the only actual abuse (mentioned) is receiving Holy Communion in the hand I absolutely do not practice it, and my brother and I speak up whenever another family member does (outside of Mass, of course).
When there’s nothing but the New Rite available, I (and my brother is beginning to) follow the Old Rite as much as possible.
 
joanofarc3 said:
IAs the only actual abuse (mentioned) is receiving Holy Communion in the hand I absolutely do not practice it, and my brother and I speak up whenever another family member does (outside of Mass, of course).
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This is not an abuse. From the USCCB Committee on the Liturgy:
  1. Holy Communion under the form of bread is offered to the communicant with the words “The Body of Christ.” The communicant may choose whether to receive the Body of Christ in the hand or on the tongue. When receiving in the hand, the communicant should be guided by the words of St. Cyril of Jerusalem: “When you approach, take care not to do so with your hand stretched out and your fingers open or apart, but rather place your left hand as a throne beneath your right, as befits one who is about to receive the King. Then receive him, taking care that nothing is lost.”
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