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Sheeeesh. Be gone.
Do you really think that? I think it’s because it’s what they believe. BTW the Anglicans have a rich hymnology dating back some 500-600 years, not to mention the Orthodox and their musical traditions. Have you ever attended Orthodox Vespers? The music will blow you away and there’s nothing “happy clappy” about it.I disagree. I think all the music and happy-clappy stuff of non-Catholic churches is a way to entice people by making them “feel good” while distracting them from the fact that they are not the true Church of Christ.
That’s true, priests are human and have different charisms.IAnother thing I’ve noticed here is that people constantly complain about their priests preaching. But does anyone ever stop to consider that preaching is simply not that priests strong point and that his strengths lie in other areas? Our main parish priest in my old parish was an excellent preacher and teacher. One of the other priests was not such a good preacher but he was an excellent confessor and very good with people on a more one to one basis. People seem to forget that priests are only human.
So true. Often it’s not the music that is chosen but how well instruments are played (IF there are any instruments) and how well people sing – or at least try to sing. In other words the effort made. Tomorrow morning at Mass my parish would be very lucky is 1/2 of those in attendance even attempted to sing a long. Not only that, the same people will be one word ahead of everyone else when it comes to the audible prayers – just to be noticed. I have never heard that in a Protestant church.Do you really think that? I think it’s because it’s what they believe. BTW the Anglicans have a rich hymnology dating back some 500-600 years, not to mention the Orthodox and their musical traditions. Have you ever attended Orthodox Vespers? The music will blow you away and there’s nothing “happy clappy” about it.
Well on some Sundays I go to the Orthodox church, and on some Sundays I go to the Catholic one instead. To be honest I go to a couple of Greek Orthodox churches where one sort of just blends in, and there is usually little to no interaction with the priests. My guess is that if I asked them if I could to Mass instead of Liturgy, they would say no. However, it seems to me that most Orthodox clergy wouldn’t bless one to go to a Catholic service, except for a wedding, baptism, or funeral, period. Oddly enough, I have a number of Orthodox friends who also find themselves going to Catholic churches instead of Orthodox ones for a number of reasons.That’s sort of fascinating. Do you attend Mass in addition to your Church’s own sacrificial liturgy? I know the Orthodox (and Eastern Catholics) don’t have the “Sunday Obligation” in the same way that Latin Rite Catholics do but what does your Orthodox pastor say about it?
Again, fascinating. Right next door to my Byzantine Ruthenian Catholic parish is the local Greek Orthodox parish. For a long time they did not have a full time priest. Slowly their traveling priest and our old pastor became good friends and the Orthodox were directed by their priest to attend our parish and receive communion when he was not in town.Well on some Sundays I go to the Orthodox church, and on some Sundays I go to the Catholic one instead. To be honest I go to a couple of Greek Orthodox churches where one sort of just blends in, and there is usually little to no interaction with the priests. My guess is that if I asked them if I could to Mass instead of Liturgy, they would say no. However, it seems to me that most Orthodox clergy wouldn’t bless one to go to a Catholic service, except for a wedding, baptism, or funeral, period. Oddly enough, I have a number of Orthodox friends who also find themselves going to Catholic churches instead of Orthodox ones for a number of reasons.
I’m not saying good music has to be “happy clappy”. And I used to be Anglican so I know that. But there are all these new, independent churches that seem to focus on all this feel-good stuff rather than any real Christian practice.Do you really think that? I think it’s because it’s what they believe. BTW the Anglicans have a rich hymnology dating back some 500-600 years, not to mention the Orthodox and their musical traditions. Have you ever attended Orthodox Vespers? The music will blow you away and there’s nothing “happy clappy” about it.
What kind of Christian practice do you mean?I’m not saying good music has to be “happy clappy”. And I used to be Anglican so I know that. But there are all these new, independent churches that seem to focus on all this feel-good stuff rather than any real Christian practice.
There are churches that just take the attitude that they’re “born again” and are “saved” so they can just do whatever they want and it doesn’t matter because they’re all going to heaven whatever. There is no attempt to follow God’s laws or commandments.What kind of Christian practice do you mean?
In my experience the churches with the “happy clappy feel good stuff” are also the ones on the streets preaching the Gospel to the world."
So the feel good stuff often goes hand in hand with Christian practice.
Wow, I find the Greek Orthodox priest telling his parishioners to receive the Eucharist at your Catholic church to be truly inspiring. If only more Orthodox clergy had such an understanding point of view!Again, fascinating. Right next door to my Byzantine Ruthenian Catholic parish is the local Greek Orthodox parish. For a long time they did not have a full time priest. Slowly their traveling priest and our old pastor became good friends and the Orthodox were directed by their priest to attend our parish and receive communion when he was not in town.
We have a different pastor now and they have a full time pastor and it’s sad to see that a metaphorical wall has been erected between the two parishes. The Catholic pastor is seemingly paranoid about losing more faithful to the Greeks, while the Greek pastor (who is from Romania) holds some of the mode old school Orthodox beliefs about the Catholic Church.
There are liberal churches like that. I’m just saying the happy-clappy ones tend to be evangelical and most evangelicals don’t think that way.There are churches that just take the attitude that they’re “born again” and are “saved” so they can just do whatever they want and it doesn’t matter because they’re all going to heaven whatever. There is no attempt to follow God’s laws or commandments.
Prove it.There are liberal churches like that. I’m just saying the happy-clappy ones tend to be evangelical and most evangelicals don’t think that way.
There was a mutual trust that was built-up over time. Their priest attended our Divine Liturgy on a number of occasions and still does when he visits.Wow, I find the Greek Orthodox priest telling his parishioners to receive the Eucharist at your Catholic church to be truly inspiring. If only more Orthodox clergy had such an understanding point of view!
I get tired of Catholics referring to evangelicals or fundamentalists as once-saved-always saved or faith only, or say a prayer in your heart and your saved. It appears that many Catholic seem to have a perception that most Protestants are Baptists. It’s insulting to my entire family. Church of Christ folks believe baptism is necessary for salvation. They believe that faith without works is dead, they believe that weekly communion is prescribed by Christ, they believe that it is sinful to miss worship unless sick or traveling (depends). There are many overlapping beliefs we held with Catholics. We were not part of the feel good church. We knew that our faith would bring us hardships. Though, like any faith, there are always those people that break the mold. Blessings theology exists in all faiths and I stay away from such twisted minds.Prove it.
The ridiculous stereotypes get pretty old after a while.
Is there some reason you have posted this same message on 53 different threads here on CAF? Are you looking for discussion; do you have particular questions or charges you wish us to respond to?The Inquisition
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