Well, bells are used at the reformed Mass, as well. They may not serve a “sacramental” purpose but they do serve a ceremonial one, at this point, even though their use might have originated in practicality. All of the Mass’s ceremony, in fact, originated in practicality.
The Defence rests.
Not a very good defense team. Any intelligent person will realize from the context that I was referring to the positioning of the Last Gospel, not the Last Gospel, itself.
My opinions are 100% traditional and I intend to spark no argument, only to participate in the dialogue. Ignorance of the facts does not equate to a more traditional opinion, I hope. The fact is, I am a traditional Catholic, if not a “traditionalist” Catholic, which is something different.
Ah, resorting to insults. Your posts speak for themselves.
Agreed
Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) people did not take photos during Mass years ago. Occassionally, during some historical event photographers would be allowed in. But it was uncommon for people to take snap shots during Mass out of respect. My dad was the volunteer photographer when I made my First Communion. As I recall, he took the pictures after Mass. His camera was one that had the glass plates in it and he had to pull a cover over his head. Later he got a smaller camera with an adjustable lense. Even today, when we have special Masses like First Communions or weddings, photographers and relatives with cameras are instructed as to where they may or may not stand to take photos. They are not allowed to go up into the sanctuary. And flashes should not be going off during the consecration. Years ago, they certainly did not have access to a video camera as people do today. So that is one reason why you may not see any evidence of liturgical abuse pre-V2.
Mine are 15-minutes if you take away the sermon and people’s communion. I don’t see this as an abuse as long as all the proper texts are read.
I just remembered something funny. Saturday morning, we heard “ribbet, ribbet” at Mass. Somebody’s phone was indicating a message or something. And this reminded my husband that he forgot to shut off his cell phone. He was afraid that if he turned it off now, it would make a lot of noise, so he just attempted to set it on vibrate. Well he must have set it for vibrate and ring because it did ring. So he just opened it up and closed it real quick. He said, “I put it on vibrate.” " I said, well just turn it off now." He said, “But it will make noise if I turn it off.” Well, whoever it was they just called right back. So this time he left it open so whoever it was would get the hint that he was at Mass. Finally he closed it and it told him to go ahead and turn it off. He said, “But it was make noise!” I said, “that’s OK, Father will appreciate it”
Here’s the closest quote I can find addressing this:
These are the kinds of things I regret learning about Mass. I am trying to find new, productive ways of dealing with some things that I see happening in Church. ** Sitting at the front helps a lot!**
I apologize if you were insulted by the phrase “intelligent person”. I have not, anywhere, attacked any Mass. Incidentally, to me, the “Traditional Latin Mass” would refer to any Catholic Mass celebrated in Latin, whatever Missal is used. I am assuming that you mean Pope John XXIII’s Missal. I have not attacked it, I only say that the Roman Catholic Church reformed it. That is a matter of historical fact.
I wasn’t insulted by your assertion that I’m not an intelligent person because you have lost credibility; it was an attempt to insult. By calling the Last Gospel (and other elements of the TLM) nonsensical you’ve also insulted the Mass. By failing to admit this you may be at risk of violating the Eighth Commandment. You have not presented any facts, merely your opinion so unless you are a bishop your opinion holds no authority. The moderators of an indepenedent chatroom are free to interpret the actions of the participants as they wish. The last time I checked this website does not bear an Imprimatur. So unless you have anything factual to add to the discussion please excuse me from replying to useless posts.
Back to the topic, I don’t regret learning about both forms of the Mass as one has greatly increased my spirituality and put me back on the path the Church teaches. I wish more people learned about Archbishop Bugnini and the events that lead to the Novus Ordo. Knowledge is power.
Enough. That one should call into question the orthodoxy of a stranger on a discussion board merely because he presented certain facts that disturbed you is out of line and uncalled for as it is; to further accuse him of violating the Eighth Commandment is simply beyond the pale. I’m appalled.
Yes Ockham, that’s what we all must learn to do.
Absolutely the best advice I’ve seen, so far. From the site you linked us to:
It says you have a right to complain…in truth and charity. But I didn’t see where it says you have “a duty to perform”. I’d say from your post that you have experienced quite a bit of craptrap. We are very fortunate not to have all of those abuses in our parish.